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    Post Capitalism and Culture

    October 1995
    Volume 13, Number 10

    Capitalism and Culture
    Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.

    From Left and Right, capitalism is condemned for all the cultural failings of the modern world--everything from mindless TV to dirty books to slatternly art to trashy movies to debasing music. It's an extension of the liberal habit of blaming a system for what are actually the failings of individuals.

    Ludwig von Mises identified Victorian art critic John Ruskin as the intellectual source of this ceaseless griping. Ruskin saw civilization, embodied in the arts, as going down the tubes, and he labeled the market economy as the cause. This allowed him to be a socialist without surrendering upper-class affectations or having to prattle about workers and peasants.

    Ruskin thus qualifies, said Mises, as "one of the gravediggers of British freedom, civilization and prosperity." "A wretched character in his private no less than in his public life," Ruskin eulogized the ancient producer cartels called guilds. "Government and cooperation are in all things the laws of life," wrote Ruskin in Unto This Last (1862), "anarchy and competition the laws of death."

    Nowadays, practically everyone with a college degree is a tacit Ruskinian. Americans may understand the productive power of the market, but many are blind to its virtue as a civilizing agent, to its ability to sustain tradition, create what's beautiful and grand, and preserve what's right and good.

    The Left (still essentially Marxian) wants us to think of capitalism as modern and industrial. More correctly, capitalism is just a name for the social recognition of private property, trade, and contract enforcement. It was as much a part of ancient Athens as 19th-century America. In its total absence, civilization would crumble, and the arts vanish.

    In modern times, the confusion usually starts this way. Someone flips on the television to find the usual rotten show and offensive commercials. He concludes that's the market at work: base, vulgar, and insulting to our intelligence.

    Once on this track, the anti-capitalist mentality runs wild. The decadence of the cash nexus appears everywhere. Strip malls and yellow M's in the sky. Boxing, moshing, tabloids, rap, and low pay for intellectuals. It's all horrible, sniffs this person, and it's all capitalism's fault.

    If this theory were correct, the prophets, saints, and ancient philosophers were wasting their breath. They called on people to abandon sin and adopt virtue, when they could have taken the fast-track to social salvation by condemning free exchange and private property.

    What the great moralists knew, and we've forgotten, is that people and cultures are products of human choice. Good lives can flourish in any social setting, whether the prison camp, the Wild West, or Washington, D.C. (hard as the latter is to believe).

    Sin and stupidity will, of course, always be with us. From an economic perspective, our goal should be to make sure that sinners pay for their sins, and that minimal resources are used to cater to them. In this process, capitalism is our ally. In addition to making prosperity possible, the whole point of economics and markets is to make sure the minimum amount of resources is used to satisfy any particular demand of any particular group.

    The free economy is efficient because it deals with tastes and preferences as a given, it organizes resources in an economically practical way, and it arranges for the consumer to get what he wants at the least possible cost to everyone else.

    The junk on television may indeed speak volumes about our culture. People should care about more important things. Thanks to capitalism, however, society isn't wasting excess resources on it. Trash is delivered in the least costly manner, leaving more resources for the pursuit of what really matters.

    Entrepreneurs have learned to provide services to even the smallest niche. When I see television, and I don't very often, the most intelligent network is EWTN. It features 50-part lectures by learned academics on subjects like Scholasticism.

    This is a profitable enterprise that would be considered wasteful in a socialist country--not to mention politically incorrect. In a less prosperous society, it couldn't survive. Yet I can't remember anyone crediting capitalism for making St. Thomas Aquinas accessible to the masses.

    It used to be said that government had to fund the arts for them to be of good quality. That argument no longer flies. Take a look at the malevolent and stupid creations of the National Endowment for Arts. The government's "sculptures," "architecture," and "music" has littered the country with rubbish.

    Economists say that the market "internalizes externalities." This means, in part, that people who are offended by some goods and services can structure their lives to avoid exposure. That's mostly true, especially in the case of sleazy television and movies, pornography, and weird services like telephone sex. Thanks to capitalism--which restricts such services to the people who purchase them--the rest of us don't have to be affected.

    A shop selling Satanic trinkets recently opened up in Auburn, Alabama. "Anything for a buck," people sneered, until the store went belly-up for lack of business. It's true that some people willdo anything for a buck, but in a market economy, they have to be subservient to the consuming public.

    The market delivers plenty of similar good news, though most of it goes unremarked. Let's consider the case of big cities, which the productive public has been clawing its way out of for decades.

    The government has done everything in its power to make cities uninhabitable by regular people. Government welfare has fostered a whole class of citizens that is at once indolent and criminal. Public housing and rental subsidies have destroyed settings that were once middle-class. Many cities today are only "cultural" centers if you like freaks and muggers.

    Yet, thanks to capitalism, there is hope. Private individuals and developers take buildings that appear beyond repair and revive them. House by house, block by block, whole sections of cities have been gentrified. It's not charity work. Without a system of profit and loss, it wouldn't happen.

    Yet you can't satisfy those with an anti-capitalist mentality. They invariably complain that gentrification raises property values and "squeezes" out the poor, while forgetting to notice how much better off everyone is when degraded resources are made more valuable.

    Beach housing has long been a magnet for cultural complaints against capitalism. High-rise buildings were routinely called evil for destroying the view from a mile away. Yet it is this type of structure which makes beach-living possible for the masses in the first place.

    Some architects, in revulsion against beach high rises, have worked with investors to buy miles of property on the beach. Then they create communities with quaint houses and shops. The result is magnificent, and entirely private, if affordable only for a few.

    These architects think they're repudiating the tackiness of capitalism. They fail to realize that their private, planned communities are as much a part of capitalism as the high rises. Far from making a left-wing ideological point, they are catering to different tastes, marketing a product, and vastly increasing the value of property as a result. High rises and private communities represent capitalism at work.

    Yet what about the materialism of capitalism? This too is a misnomer. Strictly speaking, capitalism is not about material goods; it's about exchangeable goods. Leisure, love, beauty, and art are all exchangeable, and as much a part of economic life as Big Macs and Seinfeld.

    It's said that markets bring about short-term thinking. Quite the contrary. Markets often focus on the extreme long-term, in ways the government can never do. Consider the wine industry. It can take decades before a vineyard produces a really great bottle of wine. Even common table wines require that entrepreneurs plan many years in advance. The more forward-looking the capitalist, the more he can be rewarded for setting aside temporary pleasures.

    Every good and service has a timetable, and the entrepreneur must plan in the most cost-effective manner. It's bureaucratic man--not the mythical economic man--who is prone to consumption and immediate gratification. And the more the state intervenes in an economy, the more it penalizes long-term thinking and rewards short-termism. Inflation is the most obvious example.

    But hasn't the capitalist mentality forced everyone in the family to work sixty hours per week, just to keep up with material desires? In fact, it's the government that has brought it about. A conspiracy against sound money and private property is what drove wives and mothers into the workforce in the 1970s and 1980s. A return to unfettered capitalism would allow those who desired it to return home, so that we could restore family and community life. Both thrived under laissez-faire.

    As Schumpeter noted, every socialist is an enemy of the bourgeois values of home, family, community, property, honesty, diligence, and hard work. The more socialist our economy becomes, the more vice displaces virtue in public and private life.

    As for the culturally uplifting aspects of capitalism, the profit and loss system makes possible--to take just a few examples--our economy's amazing bounty of recorded classical music, the greatest cabernets in the world, an abundance of culinary treats even kings couldn't imagine two centuries ago, and some good movies. If that doesn't convince, consider that it's under capitalism that the Bible became the all-time best-selling book.

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    Llewellyn H. Rockwell. Jr. is president and founder of the Ludwig von Mises Institute
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Good stuff, too bad no ones listening.

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    Almost. People are listening, they're just quiet. Worth posting anyway.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Aloysha;" 'Capitalism and Culture'. Ludwig von Mises identified Victorian art critic John Ruskin as; 'a wretched character in his private no less than in his public life' ".

    Moody Lawless; Who should be surprised that the Jew Mises makes such a vile ad hominem attack on the Aryan Ruskin!
    Ruskin's contribution to Western Culture is second to none, and that he was critical of 'capitalism' is no reason to slander him.
    Of course, there are some Jewish Capitalists who take anti-Capitalism to be synonymous with anti-Semitism, although they like to only hint at this. I have heard more out-spoken ones talk about the 'new anti-Semitism' of both Left and Right [they mean the anti-Capitalist far Left and far Right, of course].

    This piece is a really poor attempt to justify the rise of Capitalism in the Western world, and the utterly negative effect that that rise has had on cultures and civilisations as they crumbled in its wake.

    Capitalism means the rise of Multiculturalism and race-mixing - the Capitalists DEMAND it! They want to sell to ANYONE - the United Colours of Beneton and what have you!

    As soon as race-mixing starts, then civilisation falls.

    High Art disappears as the Lowest Common Denominator prevails.
    What Andy Warhol called his 'Business Art' rules.
    The inner cities crumble into squalid mixed-race war zones, while Coca-Cola is sold everywhere.
    Capitalist governments are mysteriously unable to stop the drugs trade!

    Leadership in politics is snuffed out as corrupt puppets are used to front up the Capitalist scam; populations are brainwashed with mind-numbing media/porn/pop culture/advertising.
    And lo, even though the Jews are only a tiny proportion of the population, you will find them in key positions in all those areas, as well as in banking.
    But don't think about that - thought criminal!

    The subtext is; 'But the ungrateful goys don't understand how the Jews [Capitalists] have made their lives so wonderful; and if they start to make a fuss, mention prison-camps [as does this article], and if that don't do the trick, bring in the Holocaust (tm)'.

    And how does this apologist define his 'capitalism'? -

    "Strictly speaking, capitalism is not about material goods; it's about exchangeable goods. Leisure, love, beauty, and art are all exchangeable, and as much a part of economic life as Big Macs and Seinfeld".

    But see, EVERYTHING, even ART, has become merely EXCHANGEABLE GOODS!
    So the works of the Highest Artists, the great writers composers and painters are now on the same level as a "Big Mac"!

    Need I say more?
    Just one thing - not once, is racial or cultural preservation mentioned in this article ... not once ...
    So why is Aloysha promoting it?
    Last edited by Moody; Saturday, December 6th, 2003 at 07:44 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    Aloysha;" 'Capitalism and Culture'. Ludwig von Mises identified Victorian art critic John Ruskin as; 'a wretched character in his private no less than in his public life' ".

    Moody Lawless; Who should be surprised that the Jew Mises makes such a vile ad hominem attack on the Aryan Ruskin!
    If you despise Ad Hominems so much, you'd better keep away from them yourself.

    Ruskin's contribution to Western Culture is second to none, and that he was critical of 'capitalism' is no reason to slander him.
    If anyone is wrong they deserve criticism. I know little of Ruskin, and I do not throw the word 'Aryan' on whim.

    Of course, there are some Jewish Capitalists who take anti-Capitalism to be synonymous with anti-Semitism, although they like to only hint at this.
    There are many who take anti-capitalism to be synonymous with Judaism.

    I have heard more out-spoken ones talk about the 'new anti-Semitism' of both Left and Right [they mean the anti-Capitalist far Left and far Right, of course].
    That's funny, because just about everyone at Anti-State.com, an Anarcho-Capitalist website, despises Zionism.

    This piece is a really poor attempt to justify the rise of Capitalism in the Western world, and the utterly negative effect that that rise has had on cultures and civilisations as they crumbled in its wake.
    Name the cultures and civilizations that have crumbled as a result of Capitalism.

    Capitalism means the rise of Multiculturalism and race-mixing - the Capitalists DEMAND it! They want to sell to ANYONE - the United Colours of Beneton and what have you!
    Capitalists are interested in selling people what they want. Capitalism loses by multiculturalism - rising crime rates, hence rising insurance rates, the welfare state, race mixing leads to dysgenics, dysgenics leads to a fall in technical and economic capability, Capitalism loses. JEWS support multiculturalism, JEWS support race mixing, because they gain from it. With the muscle of the State behind them, it's the only way they can do it.

    As soon as race-mixing starts, then civilisation falls.
    That is one of the reason civilization falls. There are others. Overtaxation, economic collapse and foreign invasion are amongst the others.

    High Art disappears as the Lowest Common Denominator prevails.
    What Andy Warhol called his 'Business Art' rules.
    A reflection of the previously hidden stupidity of the masses. Tell us who, under your absolutist states, could purchase, say, the Mona Lisa or Michaelangelo's David. Could the masses do it? If the masses wanted to, they would cease buying manufactured trash and a sudden demand of skilled artists would bring about a change in culture. You can go ahead and try bringing that about with subliminal advertising or what have you, under Capitalism.

    The inner cities crumble into squalid mixed-race war zones,
    Supported and maintained by the State, which meanwhile disarms its population - hey, did you know Americans donated rifles to the British people during world war 2 because the British Government disarmed the population a few decades before?

    while Coca-Cola is sold everywhere.
    Establishing a dictatorship won't stop the fact people like to drink coke.

    Capitalist governments are mysteriously unable to stop the drugs trade!
    What's wrong with drugs again? As Njörd has said, were heroin legalised, it would be far less dangerous than it presently is. Furthermore, marijuana was outlawed over fifty years ago because the corporation making nylon would've been crushed shortly after it released it, because of competition from hessian growers. Marijuana can also kill cancer cells and be used to manufacture almost anything that can be made out of cloth.

    Leadership in politics is snuffed out as corrupt puppets are used to front up the Capitalist scam;
    State intervention in the economy makes this possible.

    populations are brainwashed with mind-numbing media/porn/pop culture/advertising.
    Which they choose to buy of their own free will.

    And lo, even though the Jews are only a tiny proportion of the population, you will find them in key positions in all those areas, as well as in banking.
    Which they achieved due to State intervention in the economy and improper administration of justice. And under Capitalism, if you don't want them there, there's nothing stopping you from pulling your money out of any accounts you hold with Jewish banks and supporting local community banks or banks owned by whites.

    But don't think about that - thought criminal!
    Ironic considering you've already gone so far as to declare me a political enemy - tell me, were your dictatorship established tomorrow, would you have me censored, thrown in prison or executed?

    The subtext is; 'But the ungrateful goys don't understand how the Jews [Capitalists] have made their lives so wonderful; and if they start to make a fuss, mention prison-camps [as does this article], and if that don't do the trick, bring in the Holocaust (tm)'.
    Capitalism made your life possible. Be grateful. The infant mortality rates prior to capitalism were horrific. Ever been to a doctor? Has he used medicine on you before? You think the chemists who went to apply for the jobs at the corporation which manufactured your medicine did it out of the good of their hearts, or because they wanted to live in a nice house, support their own family, live comfortably, perhaps even buy CD's containing the music of Bach, Wagner and Beethoven? Ever considered that Capitalism made your heariing the music of these composers possible?

    "Strictly speaking, capitalism is not about material goods; it's about exchangeable goods. Leisure, love, beauty, and art are all exchangeable, and as much a part of economic life as Big Macs and Seinfeld".

    But see, EVERYTHING, even ART, has become merely EXCHANGEABLE GOODS!
    Nothing is desirable in and of itself. That is my entire point of pushing objective nihilism, so you will realise the white race in itself is not sacred or holy or worth preserving, it is only worth preserving, sacred/holy because WE WANT IT SO. There are no reasons for doing anything - breathing, breeding, feeding, working, sex, or anything at all - it is only because we WANT TO that we do these things. It is totally irrational yet that is the way life operates. This is FACT. Now the only stable, rational mode of existence between men is CAPITALISM, like it or not - and I know you don't - not socialism, or the welfare state, or communism or mutual slavery of any variety, but a social system in which no man thieves from the effort of another, competence is respected, and being able to shove a gun in someone's face and take everything he's got does not qualify as something worthy of respect. The fact is that some people are going to listen to 50 Cent and low grade rappers while others will listen to classical. Composers, musicians, even rappers - they would not produce their music if it were not, to someone, desirable. They sell their music to others so they can acquire what they want so they can live how they wish to, or they produce their music for their own satisfaction. Some will be satisfied listening to eminem. Some will be satisfied listening to Bing Cosby or classical European music or celtic folk or whatever they decide. People might have what you - or I - view as degenerate tastes but I'm well aware that shoving guns in their faces and taking their CD's won't change what they want or think. You know what Nietzsche said justice was? "Each to his own". Think about that.

    So the works of the Highest Artists, the great writers composers and painters are now on the same level as a "Big Mac"!
    That depends on how important you view a Big Mac in relation to 'great writers composers and painters' as regards your personal satisfaction.

    Need I say more?
    I don't know yet, that's for you to decide.

    Just one thing - not once, is racial or cultural preservation mentioned in this article ... not once ...
    So why is Aloysha promoting it?
    Because you made the totally unsupported and illogical statement that Capitalism is the culprit of our cultural 'decline'.
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    Aloysha; "If you despise Ad Hominems so much, you'd better keep away from them yourself.

    Moody; When have I called an opponent a "wretch"?
    If I call Mises a Jew, I am merely stating fact; I also call Ruskin an Aryan, another fact.
    But let anyone compare the noble Nordic Ruskin and his work with that of this Jew Mises! How dare the Jew slander the Aryan; and I hold you criminally responsible for repeating that slander.
    No, I have never stooped to such - no true Aryan would.

    Aloysha; "JEWS support multiculturalism, JEWS support race mixing, because they gain from it. With the muscle of the State behind them, it's the only way they can do it".

    Moody; Jews also "support" Capitalism - the most important mentors for your present Capitalist stance are Jews! - Rothbard, Mises, Greenspan, Rand!
    This goes to answer all your other repetitative comments which I won't bother to repeat again here;
    The Jews have ALWAYS worked BOTH SIDES!
    We have known this ever since Napoleon's defeat at the battle of Waterloo [the Rothschilds in England and France both conspired to make a mint from his defeat].
    The Jews are masters at working the antithesis!
    Because they can't fail to end up on the winning side!
    Moral: steer clear of ALL Jews.

    Aloysha; "What's wrong with drugs again?"

    Moody; The Capitalist economy is linked with the black economies of the drugs trade, prostitution, people-trafficking etc.,

    Aloysha; "Tell me, were your dictatorship established tomorrow, would you have me censored, thrown in prison or executed?"

    Moody; A hypothetical question, and one I can only answer on hypothetical grounds; I would say that your constant promotion of Jewish writers and Jewish ideas would constitute the need for an ... investigation. Then I'd take it from there.

    Aloysha; "Ever considered that Capitalism made your hearing the music of these composers [Bach, Beethovan etc.,] possible?"

    Moody; Not true; Capitalism has merelt PACKAGED the remnants of European High Culture.
    There were more classical concerts put on in Hitler's fascist Germany then in Churchill's capitalist Britain; indeed, the Third Reich made it possible for the working man to have access to a LIVING High Culture.
    Also, Negro culture [Jazz etc.,] was discouraged, while execrable modernism was ridiculed in the arts [see the 'Exhibition of Degenerate Art' in Germany]. Of course, Capitalism has always promoted Negro forms and Degeneracy in art [modernism] in general.

    Aloysha; " ...and being able to shove a gun in someone's face".

    Moody; When are you going to stop repeating this cliche of yours?
    It has no bearing on anything that I have ever said.
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    Aloysha; "If you despise Ad Hominems so much, you'd better keep away from them yourself.

    Moody; When have I called an opponent a "wretch"?
    There's others. I distinctly remember you calling (attempting to call me) a Jew, and tell me - from your perspective, does that have neutral or negetive connotations? I am not a Jew and I would certainly consider that an ad hominem.

    If I call Mises a Jew, I am merely stating fact; I also call Ruskin an Aryan, another fact.
    The word 'Aryan' is highly overrated and abused quite often.

    But let anyone compare the noble Nordic Ruskin and his work with that of this Jew Mises! How dare the Jew slander the Aryan; and I hold you criminally responsible for repeating that slander.
    *yawn* Criminal now for exercising free speech and distributing an article I found interesting?

    No, I have never stooped to such - no true Aryan would.
    So what's an Aryan, then?

    Aloysha; "JEWS support multiculturalism, JEWS support race mixing, because they gain from it. With the muscle of the State behind them, it's the only way they can do it".

    Moody; Jews also "support" Capitalism - the most important mentors for your present Capitalist stance are Jews! - Rothbard, Mises, Greenspan, Rand!
    I used Greenspan's article in favour of the Gold Standard. Greenspan is responsible for printing more money (which is not tied to anything at all) than the rest of the previous leaders of the Federal Reserve combined, hence I disagree with his actions vehemently, but his article supporting the Gold Standard, I thought, was quite good. Yes, Rothbard, Mises and Rand have supported Capitalism. Hans Hermann-Hoppe is a German, and he supports Capitalism and the end of Democracy as well. Your point?

    This goes to answer all your other repetitative comments which I won't bother to repeat again here;
    The Jews have ALWAYS worked BOTH SIDES!
    There have been Jews on both sides, yes.

    We have known this ever since Napoleon's defeat at the battle of Waterloo [the Rothschilds in England and France both conspired to make a mint from his defeat].
    The Jews are masters at working the antithesis!
    Because they can't fail to end up on the winning side!
    Whites aren't exactly ignorant nor innocent of doing this too. Is there a white conspiracy, Moody?

    Moral: steer clear of ALL Jews.
    I'm interested in learning, Moody. Even learning from the other side. I learn so I can put ideas that work, no matter who thought them up, to service for my own objectives and values.

    Aloysha; "What's wrong with drugs again?"

    Moody; The Capitalist economy is linked with the black economies of the drugs trade, prostitution, people-trafficking etc.,
    People trafficking (I assume you mean slavery) would be prohibited under Capitalism. Furthermore, we do not currently live under Capitalism, but rather, mixed economies, hence the drug trade is dangerous because it is forced underground. Now, what's wrong with drugs?

    Aloysha; "Tell me, were your dictatorship established tomorrow, would you have me censored, thrown in prison or executed?"

    Moody; A hypothetical question, and one I can only answer on hypothetical grounds; I would say that your constant promotion of Jewish writers and Jewish ideas would constitute the need for an ... investigation. Then I'd take it from there.
    And if you found out that I really did approve and agree with the ideas of Ludwig Von Mises - then what? Imprisonment? Or execution? And what if I refused to accept your 'warrant' to invade my house?

    Aloysha; "Ever considered that Capitalism made your hearing the music of these composers [Bach, Beethovan etc.,] possible?"

    Moody; Not true; Capitalism has merelt PACKAGED the remnants of European High Culture.
    Answer the question: ever considered Capitalism made your hearing of these composers possible? Paid to go to a concert? Ah, that's Capitalism. Bought a CD with their works on it? That's Capitalism too.

    There were more classical concerts put on in Hitler's fascist Germany then in Churchill's capitalist Britain; indeed, the Third Reich made it possible for the working man to have access to a LIVING High Culture.
    Britain was not Capitalist, it was mixed economy as is evidenced by its State-intervention and taxation in the economy. Besides that, the working man still has access to high culture (explain what exactly is high culture, please) in the mixed economies of the West and I'll argue that without taxation (wages in NS Germany were regulated and lowered during the war in the Third Reich) he'd have even better access to high culture because he'd have more money to spend on taking himself and his family to classical concerts. If there are not that many classical concerts in the West right now it is because the population would rather listen to other music than classical.

    Also, Negro culture [Jazz etc.,] was discouraged,
    i.e. banned. Lots of white people in America listened to Jazz at that time.

    while execrable modernism was ridiculed in the arts [see the 'Exhibition of Degenerate Art' in Germany].
    The people were restricted in their ability to buy/view this art which they found of interest and value. I'm not going to pretend to understand it but I'm not going to ban it from the viewing of everyone else if they find it to be of some sort of satisfaction. By the way, the 'Exhibition of Degenerate Art' was distinctly more popular than the art the Nazis put up as 'noble'.

    Of course, Capitalism has always promoted Negro forms and Degeneracy in art [modernism] in general.
    Capitalism provides the ability for the people to get what they want - whether that's modernism, jazz, rap, or whatever. Blame the consumers, not the market. You can't sell someone something they don't want. Under Capitalism no one is going to stop you from preaching the evils of jazz music and surrealist art.

    Aloysha; " ...and being able to shove a gun in someone's face".

    Moody; When are you going to stop repeating this cliche of yours?
    It has no bearing on anything that I have ever said.
    It is the core of everything you're saying. The use of force against the unwilling to force actions which those actors do not carry out of their own free will. You want to censor people, you want to 'discourage' 'degenerate' art and music forms, you want to throw people who disagree with you in prison, and you want to confiscate the property and deport those who disagree with you.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloysha
    People trafficking (I assume you mean slavery) would be prohibited under Capitalism.
    Who would prohibit it if you oppose the notion of a State?


    Now, what's wrong with drugs?
    Using drugs damages your brain and might result in addictions ('might', not 'will'). Drug usage seems like a form of escapism to me.

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    Aloysha; "There's others. I distinctly remember you calling (attempting to call me) a Jew, and tell me - from your perspective, does that have neutral or negetive connotations? I am not a Jew and I would certainly consider that an ad hominem".

    Moody; I have never called you a Jew, as I think that would be something for you to tell me if it were so. If you were a Jew then for you describe yourself as one would be a fact.
    Quote me where I called you a Jew?
    Anyway, this is diversionary; the Jew Mises called the Aryan Ruskin a "wretch" - THAT is ad hominem; I have done nothing of the kind.

    Aloysha; "So what's an Aryan, then?"

    Moody; In the context of this discussion, the Aryan is the antithesis of the Jew.

    Aloysha; "Yes, Rothbard, Mises and Rand have supported Capitalism. Hans Hermann-Hoppe is a German, and he supports Capitalism and the end of Democracy as well. Your point?"

    Aloysha; Obviously you highlight and quote the Jews; you call them "brilliant"!
    Why? - Well, we are talking about what has been the Jewish family business for thousands of years - Goldsmiths - Rothschilds et al.
    Are there Aryan traitors? - of course there are!

    Aloysha; "People trafficking (I assume you mean slavery) would be prohibited under Capitalism. Furthermore, we do not currently live under Capitalism, but rather, mixed economies, hence the drug trade is dangerous because it is forced underground. Now, what's wrong with drugs?"

    Moody; You keep repeating this falsehood; a mixed-economy can be Capitalist!
    Capitalism means an economy which is predominantly Capitalist; that is why everybody except yourself calls the West, particularly America, Capitalist!
    The destructive drugs trade goes back to the British use of opium against the Chinese; the inter-relations between the covert actions of the USA and illegal drugs barons today is well-known. Just as it is well-known that British prisons turn a blind-eye to drugs-use therein.
    The whole pop culture promotes drug-use; the wealth of many Western oligarchs have links to the drugs trade/black economy in general etc.,
    By people-trafficking, I was referring to the current 'asylum' swindle; this is international Capitalism's strategy, based on the wonderful 'libertarian' ideal of the 'free-movement of peoples'. It also is meant to achieve the acculturalisation of non-Westerners into Capitalism's values, as well as to divide and rule Western nations and make impossible any racial solidarity therein.
    The ultimate aim is a seamless world-wide market where the junk of Western Capitalism can be sold to identical consumers world-wide.

    Aloysha; "Answer the question: ever considered Capitalism made your hearing of these composers possible? Paid to go to a concert? Ah, that's Capitalism. Bought a CD with their works on it? That's Capitalism too".

    Moody; Well, if you say that there are no real Capitalist societies, then how can merely paying for a service be Capitalist?
    I take it that services are paid for in every part of the world and have always been. Does that mean all the world is, and has always been Capitalist?
    You are contradicting yourself.
    As I have said many times before I am referring to the system of International Capitalism/Finance Capitalism etc.,
    This is not the same as owning private property and paying for services!
    I did answer your question about Bach; since you insist on personalising it, I can tell you that my first contact with Bach's music was through sheet-music, and playing that sheet music on my instrument. The sheet music belonged to my school of the time, and the instrument was bought from a shop. However, that scenario could be part of a non-Capitalist set-up.

    ALOYSHA; "Capitalism provides the ability for the people to get what they want - whether that's modernism, jazz, rap, or whatever. Blame the consumers, not the market. You can't sell someone something they don't want. Under Capitalism no one is going to stop you from preaching the evils of jazz music and surrealist art".

    Moody; This shows that you support Multiculturalism - some racialist you are!

    Aloysha: "You want to censor people, you want to 'discourage' 'degenerate' art and music forms, you want to throw people who disagree with you in prison, and you want to confiscate the property and deport those who disagree with you".

    Moody; I am all for the ejection of alien forms from the nation; I am all for the removal of traitors and traitor-speak; I am all for the crushing of degeneracy, yes. That does not extend to matters of mere "disagreement" though, so calm down.
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    Aloysha; "There's others. I distinctly remember you calling (attempting to call me) a Jew, and tell me - from your perspective, does that have neutral or negetive connotations? I am not a Jew and I would certainly consider that an ad hominem".

    Moody; I have never called you a Jew, as I think that would be something for you to tell me if it were so. If you were a Jew then for you describe yourself as one would be a fact.
    Quote me where I called you a Jew?
    Anyway, this is diversionary; the Jew Mises called the Aryan Ruskin a "wretch" - THAT is ad hominem; I have done nothing of the kind.
    - Interpret this, please

    Aloysha; "Say it straight. You accusing me of being a Jew?"

    Moody; Are you accusing me of not saying it straight?
    If you promote Jewish ideas [and you have admitted this];
    if you don't care whether they are Jewish ideas [and you have admitted this];
    if all the authorities you put up and defend are Jews [Rand, Greenspan, Mises, Rothbard] - and you can't deny this ... then what is one to think?
    President Bush is following the Jewish agenda today - does that make him a Jew?
    As good as.
    - Moody Lawless, here, two weeks ago.

    Aloysha; "So what's an Aryan, then?"

    Moody; In the context of this discussion, the Aryan is the antithesis of the Jew.
    And... what is a Jew?

    Aloysha; "Yes, Rothbard, Mises and Rand have supported Capitalism. Hans Hermann-Hoppe is a German, and he supports Capitalism and the end of Democracy as well. Your point?"

    Aloysha; Obviously you highlight and quote the Jews; you call them "brilliant"!
    Why? - Well, we are talking about what has been the Jewish family business for thousands of years - Goldsmiths - Rothschilds et al.
    Are there Aryan traitors? - of course there are!
    I recognise that. I lump them - white traitors and malicious jews - all under the same category. I have not quoted Hans Hermann-Hoppe because I have not found a great deal of material by him, though he is a disciple of Ludwig Von Mises so I do not see a great deal of difference thus far.

    Aloysha; "People trafficking (I assume you mean slavery) would be prohibited under Capitalism. Furthermore, we do not currently live under Capitalism, but rather, mixed economies, hence the drug trade is dangerous because it is forced underground. Now, what's wrong with drugs?"

    Moody; You keep repeating this falsehood; a mixed-economy can be Capitalist!
    Mixed economy and Capitalism are mutually exclusive. Mixed economy implies Government regulation, Capitalism implies the absence of Government control and regulation.

    Capitalism means an economy which is predominantly Capitalist;
    A is A; A is not non-A. No more than circle is something predominantly a circle.

    that is why everybody except yourself calls the West, particularly America, Capitalist!
    Because it is the common thing to do? As I said in another thread, not everyone understands political or economic theory.

    The destructive drugs trade goes back to the British use of opium against the Chinese;
    The Chinese we violating the rights of their citizens to consume British opium

    the inter-relations between the covert actions of the USA and illegal drugs barons today is well-known.
    The United States Government is illegitimate anyway. The United States of America is not a Capitalist country, it is mixed economy.

    Just as it is well-known that British prisons turn a blind-eye to drugs-use therein.
    The British Government funds these prisons with taxes extracted from its population by force. Privately run prisons are more effective anyway.

    The whole pop culture promotes drug-use; the wealth of many Western oligarchs have links to the drugs trade/black economy in general etc.,
    And?

    By people-trafficking, I was referring to the current 'asylum' swindle; this is international Capitalism's strategy, based on the wonderful 'libertarian' ideal of the 'free-movement of peoples'.
    Which would be rendered impossible if the welfare system and Government support for immigrants were abolished.

    It also is meant to achieve the acculturalisation of non-Westerners into Capitalism's values,
    Capitalism is a theoretical system. Its basis is the Non-Aggression Policy, that no man has the right to violate another man's right to life, liberty or property, and if he does, he forfeits the right to his own.

    as well as to divide and rule Western nations and make impossible any racial solidarity therein.
    An effect made possible by the existence of the State and actualised by Jewish operation of the State.

    The ultimate aim is a seamless world-wide market where the junk of Western Capitalism
    It would be up to individuals to decide whether they wished to purchase this 'junk'.

    can be sold to identical consumers world-wide.
    Capitalism recognises the inequality of individuals.

    Aloysha; "Answer the question: ever considered Capitalism made your hearing of these composers possible? Paid to go to a concert? Ah, that's Capitalism. Bought a CD with their works on it? That's Capitalism too".

    Moody; Well, if you say that there are no real Capitalist societies, then how can merely paying for a service be Capitalist?
    The action of paying for a service is Capitalist, and it is the parasitism of the State which renders the entire system non-Capitalist, but mixed economy, in which the operation of Capitalism is equivalent to a man running a race while he carries a hundred and fifty pound timekeeper on his back.

    I take it that services are paid for in every part of the world and have always been. Does that mean all the world is, and has always been Capitalist?
    Certainly not. Where the State taxes its population the system is not Capitalist, though private enterprise, the backbone of Capitalism, is what made your services possible. Civil servants do not produce anything, though they pay for their homes and meals with money looted from others by the State.

    You are contradicting yourself.
    No, I'm not. But if I were, that'd be absolutely fine with you anyway because you said contradictions existed.

    As I have said many times before I am referring to the system of International Capitalism/Finance Capitalism etc.,
    Which does not exist, for the very fact that the State intervenes in the economy.

    This is not the same as owning private property and paying for services!
    Yes it is, actually.

    I did answer your question about Bach; since you insist on personalising it, I can tell you that my first contact with Bach's music was through sheet-music, and playing that sheet music on my instrument. The sheet music belonged to my school of the time, and the instrument was bought from a shop.
    Your school - if that was a private school, then it was Capitalist, like it or not, because your parents or yourself paid to be educated there. If it was a State school, then it most definetly was not a Capitalist set up, because the private sector was looted by the State so you could be educated into a nice little British patriot who would love to pay his taxes - and if he didn't, they'd throw him in prison anyway. They did a good job too.

    However, that scenario could be part of a non-Capitalist set-up.
    Could be.

    ALOYSHA; "Capitalism provides the ability for the people to get what they want - whether that's modernism, jazz, rap, or whatever. Blame the consumers, not the market. You can't sell someone something they don't want. Under Capitalism no one is going to stop you from preaching the evils of jazz music and surrealist art".

    Moody; This shows that you support Multiculturalism - some racialist you are!
    Because I am not willing to force someone to buy stuff they really don't want? I listen to white music (metal and industrial, mostly ), my clothing could not in any way be considered 'black' or 'Asiatic' (black trench coat, black jeans, GP's) and I read, rarely watch television, and I encourage my friends not to become attracted to non-whites - so I am a supporter of multiculturalism?

    Aloysha: "You want to censor people, you want to 'discourage' 'degenerate' art and music forms, you want to throw people who disagree with you in prison, and you want to confiscate the property and deport those who disagree with you".

    Moody; I am all for the ejection of alien forms from the nation; I am all for the removal of traitors and traitor-speak; I am all for the crushing of degeneracy, yes. That does not extend to matters of mere "disagreement" though, so calm down.
    One is a corollory of the other. You want the ejection of 'alien forms' (defined: whatever you see fit) from the nation - and how do you do that? Shut down American coca cola factories, ban rap and modern art - by what method? By use of Government legislation, which is brute force (if you don't believe me, ask yourself what you're going to do if workers refuse to quit their jobs at the coca cola factories), which ends up as torching coca cola factories and destroying modern art, conducting SWAT raids reminiscent of America's 'War on Drugs' against night clubs which play rap and jazz and other black music, the imprisonment of two individuals who want to trade money - no victims involved, all parties in the deal are consenting individuals - for a few grams of marijuana, you're advocating the silencing of dissidents which in effects resorts to the same method the Chinese used in Tienammen Square in 1989 or the Night of the Long Knives in 1934 - and this does not extent to matters of 'mere' disagreement? What about contradiction between two people on matters of principle? What method then? Is that civilization or barbarism?
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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