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    Re: Liberal Christianity is disintegrating, says Catholic columnist

    by liberal i meant that jesus was socially liberal, and his beliefs were revolutionary to the traditions of judaism. I dont think jesus would have agreed with modern liberals though. Jesus said "go and sin no more" not "go, try not to sin, but if you do, who am I to judge?"
    every year is getting shorter, never seen to find the time,
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    hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way;
    the time has come, the song is over, thought I'd something more to say.

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    AW: Liberal Christianity is disintegrating, says Catholic columnist

    Yea, he was so liberal that he even abolished the folkish principle and let everybody enter his group of followers, regardless of their descent. Therefore you are a Jew, because your mother is a Jew and therefore you are a christian, not because your mother or father was christian, but because you have been baptised. But do we know exactly that "Jesus" wanted to have everybody within his "church". No. We dont even know if he really wanted to have a church. And dont think of quoting the book of lies, known as the Bible. So it is possible, that Jesus wanted just Jews to be within his sect, but not goyim and this was changed by the power-mongering clerics and the roman emperor about 300 years later seeking a tool for unifying the empire and world domination under one god, one emperor and one church.
    "There can be no true friends without true enemies. Unless we hate what we are not, we cannot love what we are." Samuel Huntington

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    Re: AW: Liberal Christianity is disintegrating, says Catholic columnist

    Quote Originally Posted by Gundahar View Post
    Yea, he was so liberal that he even abolished the folkish principle and let everybody enter his group of followers, regardless of their descent. Therefore you are a Jew, because your mother is a Jew and therefore you are a christian, not because your mother or father was christian, but because you have been baptised. But do we know exactly that "Jesus" wanted to have everybody within his "church". No. We dont even know if he really wanted to have a church. And dont think of quoting the book of lies, known as the Bible. So it is possible, that Jesus wanted just Jews to be within his sect, but not goyim and this was changed by the power-mongering clerics and the roman emperor about 300 years later seeking a tool for unifying the empire and world domination under one god, one emperor and one church.
    He did not abolish folkish principles at all, the Bible acknowledges that each culture must be kept seperate and that any sort of mixing between races is frowned upon. And such Talmudic laws that state because your mother was a Jew, therefore you are a Jew does not apply to Christians in any sort of way. You may be given the honour of baptism at birth, but you are not a Christian until you prove you are. And the question of whether or not Christ wanted a Church is completely useless to answer with my own words, since the bible clearly speaks for itself...

    It was clear in the bible that Jesus wanted his chosen people (The Jew) to remain his people. But since they rejected their own Messiah, Jesus condemned the Jew as the seed of satan, and therefore, will not share His Kingdom with us. Us being the members of His Church.

    How can I not quote from the Bible? It has all the answers.

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    Re: AW: Liberal Christianity is disintegrating, says Catholic columnist

    Quote Originally Posted by Veritas Aequitas View Post
    How can I not quote from the Bible? It has all the answers.
    Gundahar, Matthew even writes a passage spoken by Jesus, M 5:11-12 just for you!
    every year is getting shorter, never seen to find the time,
    plans that either come to nought, or half a page of scribble lines,
    hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way;
    the time has come, the song is over, thought I'd something more to say.

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    Re: AW: Liberal Christianity is disintegrating, says Catholic columnist

    Quote Originally Posted by Veritas Aequitas View Post
    whether or not Christ wanted a Church is completely useless to answer with my own words, since the bible clearly speaks for itself...
    "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it"
    every year is getting shorter, never seen to find the time,
    plans that either come to nought, or half a page of scribble lines,
    hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way;
    the time has come, the song is over, thought I'd something more to say.

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    Re: Liberal Christianity is disintegrating, says Catholic columnist

    Back to the original topic, my own experience is that a church in one of the liberal denominations can grow and become popular simply with a good pastor, a strongly bible-centered message, and perhaps a bit of luck. I've personally witnessed this in a couple churches I've been to.

    The main ingredient seems to be a pastor who makes every sermon a bible study. There should be no other kind of sermon - period!

    Unfortunately for me, churches like these often have "contemporary" services, which I personally loathe beyond words. But, alas, since these things are so popular, it would appear I'm in the minority.

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    AW: Re: Liberal Christianity is disintegrating, says Catholic columnist

    Quote Originally Posted by Weiler View Post
    The main ingredient seems to be a pastor who makes every sermon a bible study. There should be no other kind of sermon - period!(
    The topic is not about churches, but about "the church", ecclesia catholica, you know. And during the last 40 years it became as liberal as a leftwing party. You cant keep your believers following this religion, while saying anything goes. That doesnt work with christianity.

    But recent incidents show that the ecclesia catholica is willing to go back to its roots. Pope Benedict XVI. has made a law, that allows catholic masses in old rite style, spoken in latin with the priest turning the back to the audience. Now you just have to ask your local bishop for permission and not the pope himself anymore. Thats a sign to the traditionalists, to the guys that dont follow the 2nd Vaticanian Councile. The Catholic Church wants to unite with them and in my opinion go back to their old medival ways. I think thats good, because such a goddamned liberal catholic church does nothing good but many evil, it doesnt support anything but destroys everything.
    "There can be no true friends without true enemies. Unless we hate what we are not, we cannot love what we are." Samuel Huntington

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    Re: AW: Re: Liberal Christianity is disintegrating, says Catholic columnist

    Quote Originally Posted by Gundahar View Post
    The topic is not about churches, but about "the church", ecclesia catholica, you know. And during the last 40 years it became as liberal as a leftwing party. You cant keep your believers following this religion, while saying anything goes. That doesnt work with christianity.

    But recent incidents show that the ecclesia catholica is willing to go back to its roots. Pope Benedict XVI. has made a law, that allows catholic masses in old rite style, spoken in latin with the priest turning the back to the audience. Now you just have to ask your local bishop for permission and not the pope himself anymore. Thats a sign to the traditionalists, to the guys that dont follow the 2nd Vaticanian Councile. The Catholic Church wants to unite with them and in my opinion go back to their old medival ways. I think thats good, because such a goddamned liberal catholic church does nothing good but many evil, it doesnt support anything but destroys everything.

    Benedikt doesnt oppose Vatican II, but he is very traditional, which I think is good. Catholicism should be neither liberal nor conservative, it should be Catholic.
    every year is getting shorter, never seen to find the time,
    plans that either come to nought, or half a page of scribble lines,
    hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way;
    the time has come, the song is over, thought I'd something more to say.

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    AW: Re: AW: Re: Liberal Christianity is disintegrating, says Catholic columnist

    Quote Originally Posted by nätdeutsch View Post
    Benedikt doesnt oppose Vatican II, but he is very traditional, which I think is good. Catholicism should be neither liberal nor conservative, it should be Catholic.
    Of course not, he was one of the masterminds of this Councile. I think that he realises now that this hasn't done anything good to the church and christianity in general. Ecclesia catholica still is what we percieve as christianity today and if they start to allow liberal sh** within their temples, draw their own belief into ridiculousness and then expect from their followers to be strong, firm and loyal, well that's a plain contradiction.

    As you know, as heathen I dont promote christianity, but I despise Islam and racial, cultural extinction more. I could live with heavy armed christians, who have a racial awareness, who have zero tolerance and are willing to shoot anybody that does invade their domain, as long they respect our heathen domain too, which is of course equally protected. The best peace, is armed-peace.
    "There can be no true friends without true enemies. Unless we hate what we are not, we cannot love what we are." Samuel Huntington

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    Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: Liberal Christianity is disintegrating, says Catholic columnist

    Do you guys really believe in being redeemed in the blood of the lamb and all that? What of your pagan ancestors who had no knowledge of Christianity? What of your friends who do not believe? What about the fact that the Church cannot produce a reliable line back to Peter? What of the pagan customs and doctrines which were absorbed into the ROMAN Church? I find it hard to believe that Jesus believed in a hierarchical Latin-speaking church (the language of the people who killed him, Crucifixion was carried out as punishment by the Romans, not the Jews who preferred stoning.) with extremely wealthy churches engulfed in scandal and with such a decadent and wicked history.

    If anything the Catholic church is the anti-christ.. the Woman (the Church is always personified as feminine.) riding a beast from 7 hills. (Rome)

    You guys just know you like all the glitz and glamour. Make sure to address all of my points.
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