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    Modern Day Descendants of the Goths?

    Are there any people living today in Europe that are the direct descendants of the Goths? I realize that there are probably very many people who are partially descended from them since the Goths invaded and settled different parts of Europe and mixed with other peoples. This is something I've always wondered about.

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    Sv: Modern day descendants of the Goths?

    Were I live, we are called Götar, and the town is called Göteborg/Gothenburg.

    Not certain about the genetic relations though, my impression is that the Goths were a rather small tribe so we Götar are probably not 100% Goth-descended exactly.

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    Re: Sv: Modern day descendants of the Goths?

    I'd love to know more about their last days as a recogniseable entity in the Crimea. Surely there are enough placenames and historical references, and even local traditions, to pinpoint where exactly they lived, and thus which modern populations there have most link with them? Can't any of our Russian or Ukrainian members help find something? Or even our new Circassian member? Maybe there are even a few Turks or Tatars reading?

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    Re: Sv: Modern day descendants of the Goths?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oskorei
    Were I live, we are called Götar, and the town is called Göteborg/Gothenburg.

    Not certain about the genetic relations though, my impression is that the Goths were a rather small tribe so we Götar are probably not 100% Goth-descended exactly.
    The connection, if any, between the Gautar/Götar and the Goths is heavily debated (e.g.: the Goths spoke an East-Germanic dialect, and there is so far no evidence that any Germanic language but North-Germanic was ever spoken in southern Scandinavia), and if indeed they were the same, or somehow closely related, the historical movements of the Ostrogoths and Visigoths eastwards and southwards suggest that descendants of these historical Goths now live in such places as Spain, Italy, the Ukraine, and elsewhere, not in Götaland.

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    Re: Modern day descendants of the Goths?

    The modern descendants of the Goths can be found among the Spanish and Northern Italians. Southern Sweden contains the mother population from which the Gothic tribes diffused and became a migrating identity. Sweden is ultimately the womb of most of the Germanic nations.

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    AW: Re: Modern day descendants of the Goths?

    After they lost their power and empires they slowly mixed with the local population in the areas where they lived and so where more or less assimilated racially.Even today you can find some influence in Spain or in Ukraine aswell.Some intereresting traditions in those regions are still remains of them.
    The modern Götland has almost no connection to the Goth except that almost all Germanic tribes eventually came from Skandinavia.The people there were called Gaethar and were already mentioned in the Beowulf so they were quite different from the Goths.
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    Re: AW: Re: Modern day descendants of the Goths?

    Quote Originally Posted by Illuminatus
    The people there were called Gaethar and were already mentioned in the Beowulf so they were quite different from the Goths.
    The Proto-Germanic form was *gautaz, pl. *gautôz, the ON form gautr, pl. gautar. The OE form, gęat, pl. gęatas (pronounced ~/'jćut(as)/ or ~/'jćatas/), derives diachronically from the Proto-Germanic form (*au > /ću/, /ća/ (ęa), as in *aust- > ęast), and was thus probably a part of the traditional Anglian, Saxon or Jutish vocabulary, pre-5th century. It seems less likely that they were referring to their contemporaries, the continental Goths (PG *gutaniz).

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    Re: Modern day descendants of the Goths?

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclone
    The modern descendants of the Goths can be found among the Spanish and Northern Italians. Southern Sweden contains the mother population from which the Gothic tribes diffused and became a migrating identity. Sweden is ultimately the womb of most of the Germanic nations.
    Surnames that ends in Ez and Es in Spain and Portugal are considered fom visigothic origins, an example is Gonzalez ( Gonçalves in Portugal ):

    '' The mountainous borders of Spain contain the origins of the prestigious surname Gonzalez. The earliest forms of hereditary surnames in Spain were the patronymic surnames, which are derived from the father's given name, and metronymic surnames, which are derived from the mother's given name. The surname Gonzalez is made up of two elements: "Gonzalo," a personal name thought to be derived from the Visigothic "Gundesaelf," meaning "battle elf," and "-ez," the Spanish patronymic suffix.

    Spelling variations include: González, Gonzalez, Gundisalvez, Gonsalviz, Gonzálvez, Gonzalvez, Gonçalve, Gonzales, Gonzalo, Gozalo, Monsalve, Monsabre, Gosalviz, Gosalvez, Goçalez, Gunzáloz, Gunzaloz, Galbis, Gálvez and many more.
    First found in Castile, where the name originated in Visigothic times.

    Some of the first settlers of this name or some of its variants were: Among the early explorers of the New World were Alonso and Gil González de Avila, brothers who travelled with the conquistador Hernán Cortés to Mexico.''

    source : Swyrich Corporation

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    Re: AW: Re: Modern day descendants of the Goths?

    One genetic marker of visigothic/germanic/scandinavian invasion in Spain is the haplogroup I. Remember that also the Suebi established Spain and Portugal carring the I haplogroup.This germanic migrations would also include Germanic forms of R1b.Haplogroup I originated in Gravettians, there were later mutations of I resulting in subhaplogroups...one variation exists among the basques since glacial times ( much time before visigothic invasions ).

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    Re: AW: Re: Modern day descendants of the Goths?

    Quote Originally Posted by Euclides
    One genetic marker of visigothic/germanic/scandinavian invasion in Spain is the haplogroup I. Remember that also the Suebi established Spain and Portugal carring the I haplogroup.This germanic migrations would also include Germanic forms of R1b.Haplogroup I originated in Gravettians, there were later mutations of I resulting in subhaplogroups...one variation exists among the basques since glacial times ( much time before visigothic invasions ).
    According to Semino et al. 2004, I1a, the subclade which accounts for nearly 100% of hg I in Scandinavia, is present in Catalans at 3.1% and in Portuguese at 1.3%. It was, however, not found among Andalusians, which is interesting in light of what we know about Visigothic influence in the region. Present-day Southern Sweden is ~40% hg I, btw.

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