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    Poles soon to outnumber Irishmen in Britain

    The immigration figure jumped by nearly 70,000 in 2004, mainly because of job-seekers from the eight new partners in central and eastern europe – Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Hungary and the Czech Republic.

    Total recorded immigration in 2004 was 582,100, compared with 512,600 in 2003 and 314,000 in 1994. The balance of immigration over emigration went up from 151,000 in 2003 to 223,000 in 2004.

    The figures are pulled together in a report which the Economic and Social Research Council commissioned from two university professors specialising in population research – Phil Rees, head of geography at Leeds, and John Salt, director of the Migration Research Unit at University College, London.

    The report, Globalisation, Population Mobility and Impact of Migration, says that by 2005, there were 1.5 million foreign nationals in the British workforce, or 4.1 per cent of all those in employment.

    Until recently, the Irish-born would easily have been the biggest single group. But now there are almost as many Poles.

    Prof Salt says: "Opening up of the labour market to citizens of the new member states of the EU from May 2004 initiated what is almost certainly the largest single wave of immigration the British Isles have ever experienced, with Poles the largest ever single national group of entrants."

    However, Britain is still only half-way up a table of European countries ranked according to the proportion of foreign-born residents. Luxembourg comes top and Switzerland, Austria, Germany, Spain, Ireland, France, Sweden, Denmark and Greece, all have more than Britain.
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    Re: Poles soon to outnumber Irishmen in Britain

    My city is awash with 'eastern Europeans', and I have no problem with that. With the great waves of Iraqi, Afghan, Zimbabwean, Somali and Kurdish economic migrants, Poles, Ukranians, Latvians etc. are a breath of fresh air (literally).
    I'd much rather the few council and private properties remaining were claimed by Europeans rather than the unstoppable hordes of non-European invaders.

    The vast majority of the European economic migrants are young couples, well-mannered, active in seeking work and keen English language learners.
    A young man came into my workplace the other day for a job application form, wearing a T-shirt with the words 'I am looking for work' on both sides.
    I can't imagine a young, unemployed Englishman taking the same initiative.

    I can't remember seeing an ugly or obese woman amongst these newcomers, unlike many of my compatriot female citizens.
    However, there is a posh hotel opposite my workplace which has employed Poles etc. for a couple of years now, and I have noticed how the European girls have been piling on wait over time.
    Is this a sad indictment of English culture and decadence?

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    Re: Poles soon to outnumber Irishmen in Britain

    I worry at the great and understandable resentment the suddenness of all this has caused among the English working classes. I know many who now despise Poles, which is surely an unfortunate thing for the future of our continent, and our coming struggle against the common threat.

    I went to Ireland on the ferry a bit ago, and was amazed to find that the entire boat was run by Russians from Latvia and Lithuania. They were delighted at my Russian as was I to be able to use it, but I couldn't help but get off with a feeling of great unease about it all.

    I wonder at the eventual consequences?

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    I agree that it is far better to have white Eastern Europeans over here than the usual rag bag of African and Asian migrants. The Poles etc. seem keen to learn the language, they seem keen to adopt 'Britishness' and generally they are keen to mix with all aspects of English society. I personally can find no fault in the fact that they wish to be here and that they work very hard once they are. However, there is a down side to all this....

    Our own youth (particularly at the unskilled end of the job market) are now being frozen out of the very jobs that were once theirs for the taking because of this great influx of young, migrant labour. Companies are now actively recruiting (unskilled) labour direct from Poland rather than via the local Job Centre, our own youth (and our future) is ever more increasingly being thrown on the job market scrap heap with the inevitable results of rising crime and drug abuse.

    In spite of being a member of the EC, we have no legal nor moral right to accept these vast numbers of eastern European job seekers, France has said No and Germany has said No, in fact it is only Britain, Ireland and Sweden who has said Yes!

    This is a Bosses dream come true! The enthusiasm to work keeps the wages of British workers artificailly low, the are 'encouraged' by the Bosses not to join Unions, and the fact that most of these workers are employed by 'dodgy' agencies means that the Bosses can hire and fire at will with no problems of Sick Pay, Holiday Pay or National Insurance, and as for health and safety...forget it!....welcome to Sweat Shop Britian 2006! This is nothing more than a Bosses charter with Government approval..the whole business (for that's precisely what it is) stinks!

    I accept that they look like us and they want to be like us, I accept they are keen to learn our language, customs and ways....but the fact of the matter is...We should be fighting for the rights of our own people FIRST!

    If you think things are bad now, just wait until the Turks, Bulgarians and Rumanians get here! It's not the Poles we should be fighting, but the money grabbing Bosses and the Corrupt Government who backs them.

    WAKE UP BRITAIN!

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    Re: Poles soon to outnumber Irishmen in Britain

    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu
    I wonder at the eventual consequences?
    A massive mish-mash of peoples in the cities. Rural areas will be largely unnaffected, but I suppose a trickle-down effect will occur, where next its the larger towns which become mixed. The immigration to Dublin will be constant, because the countries that the immigrants are coming from have no chance of ever matching Ireland's living standards.

    The Irish went from nothing to match England in a few decades. Africans are not capable of the same thing.

    To my mind, a Scottish or Irish surname (and to a much lesser extent, French and then German) cropping up in Dorset or Lancashire is not a foreign influence because all "British" people are related by blood, whatever the political circumstances. However much mixing amongst the British occurs, the underlying cultures, accents and habits remain in each area.

    To an extent, I draw the line at Poles. No matter how assimilable (as Baltids) they may be, they are still foreign. I cannot rationalise it, because the Poles are extremely close to the British - especially compared to Africans - but I still prefer that they stay in Poland and sort their own country out.

    Here's one argument: however hard working they may be, they have not paid for the roads and infrastructure which existed prior to their arrival.

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    Re: Poles soon to outnumber Irishmen in Britain

    Quote Originally Posted by taranthor
    Our own youth (particularly at the unskilled end of the job market) are now being frozen out of the very jobs that were once theirs for the taking because of this great influx of young, migrant labour. Companies are now actively recruiting (unskilled) labour direct from Poland rather than via the local Job Centre, our own youth (and our future) is ever more increasingly being thrown on the job market scrap heap with the inevitable results of rising crime and drug abuse.
    The businessmen cannnot be blamed for it.

    They are presented with highly motivated, well trained, healthy workers who will not call in sick on a Monday morning or have a bad attitude. Given the choice between one of these Poles and an English lad who is an unknown quantity, it's a no-brainer.

    Like it or not, Poland are sending their best young people to England, and they have a good reputation.

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    Re: Poles soon to outnumber Irishmen in Britain

    Quote Originally Posted by havocthief
    A massive mish-mash of peoples in the cities. Rural areas will be largely unnaffected, but I suppose a trickle-down effect will occur, where next its the larger towns which become mixed.
    Do'nt count on your rural areas being unaffected. Rural America is being inundated by Mestizos & Indian migrants from Mexico & Central America. Not all areas have been affected equally, yet, but there are many small towns that as recently as 1990 had no Hispanics now have sizable Hispanic minorities. The agriculture sector is one of the greatest proponents of cheap immigrant labor. Meatpacking which is primarily located in small towns is now dominated by immigrant labor. The reason this is happening is greed. It's only a matter of time before local landowners & business owners in rural England start to recruit Eastern Europeans or Africans or whatever as workers to replace the native English.

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    Re: Poles soon to outnumber Irishmen in Britain

    Quote Originally Posted by Madoc
    Do'nt count on your rural areas being unaffected. Rural America is being inundated by Mestizos & Indian migrants from Mexico & Central America. Not all areas have been affected equally, yet, but there are many small towns that as recently as 1990 had no Hispanics now have sizable Hispanic minorities. The agriculture sector is one of the greatest proponents of cheap immigrant labor. Meatpacking which is primarily located in small towns is now dominated by immigrant labor. The reason this is happening is greed. It's only a matter of time before local landowners & business owners in rural England start to recruit Eastern Europeans or Africans or whatever as workers to replace the native English.
    You are correct.

    Even the 50% and 25% ethnics will have "enlightened" attitudes to mixing, so it's no guarantee that the ethnicity would evaporate over time, more likely is that ever more elaborate mixes will develop.

    And while that is going on, fresh waves of immigrants will arrive. Africans will travel to Europe and settle and produce more Africans.

    I would think that ethnics are reticent to locate to white only areas, but once a few do, then the numbers would rapidly grow. It may seem strange to think of large numbers of Africans and Arabs living in the Dutch or English countrysides, but in a few decades it will be normal.

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    Re: Poles soon to outnumber Irishmen in Britain

    For the record, in Italy this is already happening, even in the smallest village (expecially in the richer North) you can find maghrebins, albanians, blacks, south americans.
    In my town over 2500 inhabitants there are already 180 officially registered non-europeans! you can immagine if we add the illegal aliens..

    Oh just to stay in topic...the hypocrisy of this paragraph is apalling:
    The immigration figure jumped by nearly 70,000 in 2004, mainly because of job-seekers from the eight new partners in central and eastern europe – Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Hungary and the Czech Republic.

    Total recorded immigration in 2004 was 582,100, compared with 512,600 in 2003 and 314,000 in 1994. The balance of immigration over emigration went up from 151,000 in 2003 to 223,000 in 2004.

    So they are worrying about +70.000 europeans while they have accepted more than 500.00 that probably are not and this each year if i understood correctly???

    "E tutti si scandalizzano quando sentono dire: quel tale tipo di mammifero o di uccello ormai è sparito dalla faccia della terra, non lo vedremo più; è una grave perdita. Certo, si tratta di gravissime perdite.
    Ma non sarebbe forse più grave se sparisse una comunità umana?? --Bruno Salvadori

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    On average, the seven pictures depicting northern Europeans were classified as northern Italians 81% of the time. The seven pictures depicting northern Africans were classified as southern Italians 83%
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    Re: Poles soon to outnumber Irishmen in Britain

    Seeing as it was mentioned prefering that they 'stay in poland to sort their country out', I noticed this in the front cover of a paper today:

    'Polish children dumped by parents heading for Britain'

    Incidentally I don't see why it should be difficult (for someone who is presumably a nationalist) to 'rationalise' not liking being swamped with poles, aside from already overcrowded roads (schools, cities, jails (?!)(noticed more reports of rapes involving groups of men with 'eastern european' accents? there have been some near here)... Poles may be 'closer' ethnically than Africans, but so is everyone else for that matter - being swamped by another group when you've already been swamped by every other group just adds even more to the mess that removes the inhabitants and the future inhabitants from the past history and culture which 'belongs' to the 'natives', so to speak.

    They do work hard though. *shrugs* and so do many indians, pakis etc... just not usually not the ones who have been born here. (as everyone knows, kids today are useless... have to keep on importing workers for ever and ever if this keeps up )

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