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    "Whoever thinks much is not suitable as a party member: he soon thinks himself right through the party"

    Whoever thinks much is not suitable as a party member: he soon thinks himself right through the party
    - § 579, "Human, All too Human", Friedrich Nietzsche.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    heh, i can definitely relate to this quote

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    [QUOTE=Nihilist]heh, i can definitely relate to this quote [/QUOTE

    Remember that the book from which Aloysha's quote is taken, 'Human All Too Human', is the one where Nietzsche said that he "took sides against himself". In other words, he deliberately expressed contrary opinions.

    Remember also, that Nietzsche belonged to various Germanic groupings in his University years; not only that, but he yearned his whole life to set up a group of 'Free Spirits', modelled on a Knightly Order.
    True, this did not come to much [only Peter Gast, Lou Salome, Ree and possibly Burkhardt could qualify as members], but it remained an abiding passion throughout his life [see his letters for evidence here].

    Going back to the quote; it should also be taken to indicate that quality is always more important than quantity when it comes to making parties and associations.
    I say this because to me the quote means something like 'thinking through to the other-side and out again'. In other words, one Returns to the Party after thinking everything through in a most thorough fashion.
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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    [QUOTE=Moody Lawless]
    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilist
    heh, i can definitely relate to this quote [/QUOTE

    Remember that the book from which Aloysha's quote is taken, 'Human All Too Human', is the one where Nietzsche said that he "took sides against himself". In other words, he deliberately expressed contrary opinions.
    Sorta sounds like me, doesn't it?

    Remember also, that Nietzsche belonged to various Germanic groupings in his University years; not only that, but he yearned his whole life to set up a group of 'Free Spirits', modelled on a Knightly Order.
    I don't particularly care.

    True, this did not come to much [only Peter Gast, Lou Salome, Ree and possibly Burkhardt could qualify as members], but it remained an abiding passion throughout his life [see his letters for evidence here].
    Sounds like you're reaching for straws here.

    Going back to the quote; it should also be taken to indicate that quality is always more important than quantity when it comes to making parties and associations.
    Of that I am totally aware.

    I say this because to me the quote means something like 'thinking through to the other-side and out again'. In other words, one Returns to the Party after thinking everything through in a most thorough fashion.
    Are you sure? Zarathustra didn't sound like much of a Party man.

    The snake that cannot shed its skin perishes. So do the spirits who are prevented from changing their opinions; they cease to be spirit
    - § 573, "The Dawn", Friedrich Nietzsche.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Aloysha; "Nietzsche's quote Sorta sounds like me, doesn't it?"

    Moody Lawless; Not really. Nietzsche always retained a central core to his ideas; and that core was Greek tragedy, and it can be summed up in one word, 'Dionysos'.
    This Dionysianism runs through the whole of his work from the earliest to the last.
    So no matter how many counter-positions he put, there's no mistaking this indelible core.
    Like a great musician who is so thoroughly grounded in a certain technique and with perfect pitch, he can improvise in any direction, and still be 'Nietzsche', or rather 'Dionysos'.
    This is very different to mere opportunistic changes of stance, or of that blowing whichever way the wind listeth.
    Nietzsche's book 'The Joyful Wisdom' is the one which announces his elite group of free spirits; it is also the book where Thus Spake Zarathustra itself begins.
    The following book, Beyond Good and Evil, has a whole chapter dedicated to this group, 'The Free Spirits'.
    Every party should have this kind of philosophical elite within it.
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    Nietzsche's book 'The Joyful Wisdom' is the one which announces his elite group of free spirits; it is also the book where Thus Spake Zarathustra itself begins.
    I just thought I should point out that it was 'Human, All Too Human' (published before 'The Joyful Wisdom') which had as a subtitle 'A Book For Free Spirits'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried Augustus
    I just thought I should point out that it was 'Human, All Too Human' (published before 'The Joyful Wisdom') which had as a subtitle 'A Book For Free Spirits'.
    Thanks; In 'The Joyful Wisdom' Nietzsche refers to a knightly order, those of the 'gai saber', in a more explicit fashion. But you are right, the notion of 'Free Spirits' is with Nietzsche from his earliest days.
    Why are there beings at all, & why not rather nothing?
    [Leibniz/Heidegger]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
    Aloysha; "Nietzsche's quote Sorta sounds like me, doesn't it?"

    Moody Lawless; Not really. Nietzsche always retained a central core to his ideas; and that core was Greek tragedy, and it can be summed up in one word, 'Dionysos'.
    This Dionysianism runs through the whole of his work from the earliest to the last.
    So no matter how many counter-positions he put, there's no mistaking this indelible core.
    Like a great musician who is so thoroughly grounded in a certain technique and with perfect pitch, he can improvise in any direction, and still be 'Nietzsche', or rather 'Dionysos'.
    This is very different to mere opportunistic changes of stance, or of that blowing whichever way the wind listeth.
    Nietzsche's book 'The Joyful Wisdom' is the one which announces his elite group of free spirits; it is also the book where Thus Spake Zarathustra itself begins.
    The following book, Beyond Good and Evil, has a whole chapter dedicated to this group, 'The Free Spirits'.
    Every party should have this kind of philosophical elite within it.
    I agree with what you've said here. But there are constants in my arguments, whatever position I change to. I'm not as chaotic as I might seem.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloysha
    I agree with what you've said here. But there are constants in my arguments, whatever position I change to. I'm not as chaotic as I might seem.
    My take on it is this: one should remain true to ones ideals, but should not stay rigid or myopic in ones means of achieving them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilist
    My take on it is this: one should remain true to ones ideals, but should not stay rigid or myopic in ones means of achieving them.
    That's it.
    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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