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    Native Eurorean Y Chromosome Markers.

    What are the Y-Chromosome markers for native Europeans?

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    Exclamation Re: Native Eurorean Y Chromosome Markers.

    I'd say they are M343, M173, M17, LLY22, M170, M172 and M35.
    Anyone else have an idea?
    Am I right or wrong here?
    I'm no expert. I'd just like to know what Europeans themselves think about this.

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    Am I correct in noting that the initial three markers are utilized to trace the R1b, I and R1a lineages respectively, and the following four others of middle eastern origin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daglaf
    I'd say they are M343, M173, M17, LLY22, M170, M172 and M35.
    I would say that M343, M173, M17 and M170 are native European since they arrived during the Paleolithic. M172 and M35 came from the Middle East and North Africa during the Neolithic and therefore would not really be native. LLY22 is one that I am not too sure of since I don't know exactly when it came to Europe.
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    Re: Native Eurorean Y Chromosome Markers.

    I generally consider M172, M78 (E3b1a), M17, M170 and M343 to be the markers for Native Europeans.

    Am I correct in noting that the initial three markers are utilized to trace the R1b, I and R1a lineages respectively, and the following four others of middle eastern origin?
    Well, I think it really depends on what criteria you use for designating a HG as "European" or "Middle Eastern." If you use the geographical location of the member who first introduced the SNP mutation as the criteria, then only M343 and M17 count as natively European, as M170 also originates in the Middle East roughly 20,000 bce. This would also make M78, a decendent of M35 which makes up roughly 95+% of all E3b in Europe (and oddly, the only purely European branch of E3b) natively European as it originates in the Balkans circa 10-12kya and expands to help repopulate the continent after the LGM.

    If one uses length of habitation, it becomes a little more variable. As a rule of thumb, I would assume all HGs in Europe at the time of the Indo-European expansion would qualify as being natively European or pertaining to native Europeans (ie. all the HGs listed above). This holds whether one believes in the Kurgan or Anatolian theories in that all the groups were present during the formation and adoption of the unifying cultural base of modern Europe.

    LLY22 is one that I am not too sure of since I don't know exactly when it came to Europe.
    LLY22G originates in Siberia circa 10,000 bce.
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