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    Post Debunking German "Atrocities" in Poland

    An interesting exchange from "Revisionist Forum"

    http://revforum.yourforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=652

    Dear Dana

    It was Elie Wiesel who chose to leave Auschwitz with the Germans instead of waiting for the Russians, not Simon Wiesenthal.

    Russian soldiers raped German women, not Polish and not Hungarian. They had an order to behave in Poland but do what they felt like once they crossed to Germany.

    Not true, according to the testimonies of many German women who had been raped and beaten by Poles, and then forced out of German territory (that had been stolen by Poland after WW1).

    My mother-in-law was acting as a nurse in 1939 and looking after German refugees fleeing Poland before the war started, she told me that a number of women had been badly tortured by Poles, some of them had been nailed through their tongues onto doors and tables and had terrible wounds (before the war started!!!)

    German soldiers raped too, but in a different way. They caught women to be prostitutes in hotels "for Germans only". These women were kept as prisoners, regularly checked by doctors for infectious diseases.

    Dana there is a major difference between women who are paid and work as prostitutes (such as those who worked in concentration camps for 2RM per customer) and women who are gang-raped by hordes of men. These women were not forced to be prostitutes as a matter of fact many tried to get preganant so they could be freed from factory work....the Brothels in the concentration camps had radios, music, flowers on the tables, and their customers bought them perfume, fancy underwear and jazzrecords, one such brothel was THIS one in Buchenwald Camp (Foto courtesy of the Camp museum) in it you cann see the flowers, radio and ashtrays.

    One such hotel/restaurant was the Hotel Astoria on 49 Chmielna St. in Warsaw. Probably in 1942, during a Russian air raid, the civilian Polish population that lived in another part of the building and the German soldiers from the hotel/restaurant all hid together in the cellars and all were frightened. The women hostages were left locked up in the hotel.
    I remember standing next to a German soldier who was shaking with fright and I, frightened too, kept pulling at his arm asking when the air raid will end. At one time, during the Warsaw Uprising in 1944, some extremely gruesome photographs of sexual torture of these women by Germans in uniform were scattered out of that building when the building was hit.

    During this time of the uprising many Poles put on German uniforms, I have seen many Polish films on TV here proving this, plus I have many original photos showing Czechs and Poles dressed in German uniforms shooting naked German prisoners in the neck after these partisans had stolen the uniforms...these photos were shown world wide as 'proof' of German brutality JUST as Stalins STAVKA order which required that Russian soldiers put on captured German uniforms and destroy Russian villages(ers) in order to stop the population welcoming the Germans.

    Germans dropped bombs on civilian population in Warsaw right at the beginning of the War. I was there. I became sick with panic so that my Mother took me out toward Eastern Poland with the hope of escaping the bombs and also to connect with my Father who was then stationed in Brzesc on the Bug River.

    What do you expect after Pilsudski had, in 1919, built 2 concentration camps and in 1926 another 2 camps, and the Poles imprisoned tens of thousands of Germans and Ukrainians and forced 50.000 Germans living in Schlesien, Prussia etc out of their homes.
    I have friends who were children then, and whose whole family was MURDERED by Polish militia BEFORE the war started.
    Ridz-Smigly was quoted by the Daily Mail August 6th 1939 as saying 'Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she wants to!'
    Radio Warsaw declared war on Germany at midnight of the 31st Aug 1939, and Dana tell us all what it says on this Polish placard printed in 1930 threatening Germany...in 1930 Germany was NOT threatening Poland was it???? So WHO was the aggressor????


    As we, and thousands of other civilians with children tried to escape the city, German planes would come low and machine-gun. I remember, one day, already quite a distance East, my Mother and I hid in a field of carrots when we heard a German plane approaching. Next to that field was a field with stacks of harvested buckwheat. And to a side a little boy tending several cows. The German pilot kept returning to shoot at the buckwheat stacks and at the boy and his cows killing the child and the cows.

    The writer, and other Germans who remind that it was the Soviets who killed Polish officers at Katyn, conveniently withhold that those soldiers were killed because, in the first place, Hitler attacked Poland. Secondly, they fell to the Russians because of the Hitler's pact with them in 1939. While the Russians were murdering Poles in the East, the Germans were rounding up Polish professors, teachers, doctors, lawyers, top of the society and murdering them.

    Dana this is total rubbish, Hitler made a pact with Russia AFTER he tried to make friendly gestures to Poland remember it was GERMAN and AUSTRIAN troops that freed Poland from Russia in 1917...and 4 years later the Polish Govt stole large areas of German territory.

    The stories of Poles murdering Germans in 1939 the Western borders is a known Hitlerian propaganda which has been debunked by historians, including German. That propaganda was in preparations years before 1939 in order to make the Germans soldiers better killers of Poles when the War would start. At the onset of the War, Germans who lived in Poland quickly became the Fifth Column. Those by the Western borders were shooting at Polish soldiers who then retaliated.

    OH REALLY !! Then Dana you should write to the German Govt demanding this book be taken off the market because its got all the documentation in it regarding the MURDER of thousands of German civilians by Polish Militia in 1939 AND please tell my friend Siegfried who STILL has the bayonet wound in his arm that killed his grandfather that the Poles were NOT murdering innocent civilians (5700 in Bromberg alone)

    When next you come here, I will show you German photographs of what the Germans did to Poland. The German claims to lands is almost amusing considering that Dresden is a Slavic name, Rostock (Rostok, roztoka) is a Polish word pertaining to water. Germans took part in the partitions of Poland. German terms as "Lebenstraum", - with the view to the East of course, and "Drang nach osten (spelling ?)" are proof of German historic intentions.

    Poland did NOT exist before the year AD 966, we know that for sure by admissions made in 1956 by the Polish Bishops Stefan Wyszynski and Karol Woytyla, who had been commissioned to write an historical letter of "Reconciliation" The Polish language was only invented around 1466 and the Polish King Casimir spoke German and the first Polish books were printed in Germany in 1521.
    Danzig had already been established by Germans in the year 740, which is therefore around 200 years before Poland was created and the so-called Polish names of Rostock and Danzig etc...well Polish was derived from German NOT the other way around...
    Gute Nacht....Paul aus Hamburg


    It is not a good idea to be so selective and convoluting history. In effect, you are doing the same as the Jews.
    Have a good day or night, whichever applies.
    Dana

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    Katyn

    Katyn: The Story Hollywood Won't Tell
    HenryMakow.com 28 gennaio 2009

    "Defiance", yet another movie about Jewish victimhood and heroism opened in 1800 US theaters last week.

    This story of Jewish partisans fighting Nazis adds to a growing Holocaust film genre that includes Sophie's Choice, Shindler's List and The Pianist.

    But one incredible Jewish story of genocide continues to elude Hollywood. This is the execution of 20,000 Polish Officer POW's, (devout Roman Catholics who represented much of the Polish elite,) by the Bolshevik Jewish-led NKVD in the Katyn forest in 1940.

    Why has Hollywood ignored this story? My opinion is that, with six degrees of separation, Hollywood, (and indeed America) is ultimately run by the spiritual descendants of these murderers.

    Thus we are brainwashed to ignore genocides that don't fit the Nazi-Jew paradigm. Movies are essential to this programming. Part of an ongoing psychological war on the Christian European majority, we are made to identify with minorities. If we object, we are counted as Nazis. I will expand later when I briefly review Hollywood's current fare.

    Andrej Wajda, 82, Poland's most celebrated film director, lost his father at Katyn. In 2008, Wajda made a movie about this genocide and its effect on the victims' families. Financed by Polish TV, the film, "Katyn," was a major artistic and commercial success in Poland. It was nominated for an Oscar for Best Foreign Film in 2008, but still has not found wide distribution outside Poland.

    It didn't win the Oscar. The award went to a Jewish Holocaust movie, "The Counterfeiters," a "true story" from Germany. It described the moral dilemma faced by a Jewish master-counterfeiter forced to forge British and US currency. ("Should I sabotage this process?") I saw this movie. It is an enjoyable piece of propaganda which helps the audience identify with Jews. In real life, I doubt if the hero had any such moral qualms. Even in the film, he filled his own pockets.

    KATYN

    Here is the trailer for "Katyn". I haven't seen the movie but I did stumble across information that illustrates why this is the stuff of which epics are made.

    First, some background from Wikipedia: "Since Poland's conscription system required every nonexempt university graduate to become a reserve officer, the Soviets were able to round up much of the Polish intelligentsia. Those who died at Katyn included an admiral, two generals, 24 colonels, 79 lieutenant colonels, 258 majors, 654 captains, 17 naval captains, 3,420 NCOs, seven chaplains, three landowners, a prince, 43 officials, 85 privates, and 131 refugees. Also among the dead were 20 university professors; 300 physicians; several hundred lawyers, engineers, and teachers; and more than 100 writers and journalists as well as about 200 pilots. In all, the NKVD executed almost half the Polish officer corps."

    In 1945, Maurice Shainberg was the Assistant to KGB Col. Grigory Zaitzev who was the Commandant of the main Katyn work camp. In his book, "Breaking from the KGB," (1986) Shainberg, a Polish Jew, tells how he discovered Zaitzev's Katyn diary in the safe. Shainberg had misgivings about Communism and identified with his fellow Poles. He took great personal risks to copy sections of the diary. The Zaitzev Diary was dynamite because the Soviets always claimed the Nazis had committed the war crime.

    The diary appears authentic except for one major discrepancy. Zaitzev pretends the slaughter was necessitated by lack of transport to remove the prisoners in advance of the Nazi onslaught in June 1941. In fact, Stalin and Beria gave the order to murder the Poles in early March and the executions took place in April and May 1940. Only 4250 were actually shot in Katyn forest. The remainder were executed in prisons elsewhere. Many were taken out in barges on the White Sea and drowned.

    Otherwise, the diary describes how the Soviets tried to indoctrinate and intimidate the Poles into betraying their culture and their country (as the Western-elite has done today), by forming a puppet class in a future Soviet-dominated Poland. The Poles refused and that is the reason they were slaughtered.

    THE ZAITZEV DIARY

    When Zaitzev got his assignment, he was warned that the Poles were all "educated religious fanatics" always singing patriotic songs and hymns with their chaplain. Zaitzev was confident he could teach them to "pray to a new God."

    The prisoners worked cutting trees from 6 a.m. to 6 p.m. In the evening they boycotted the indoctrination sessions. They had no desire to assist in building the future Soviet Poland.

    One officer explained: "As a Pole I know my nation. None of us have the desire to dictate to other people, and we don't want other people to dictate to us. We are neither a Fascist or a Communist nation, but a devoutly Catholic one."

    Once during a speech, the Polish Army Chaplain Jozwiak lifted up the crucifix he wore and began to chant a prayer. The prisoners followed suit. That night, Jozwiak was taken to the Interrogation Chamber.

    "The use of electrical currents on Father Jozwiak's eyes and body didn't help. Nor was the Chinese method successful, where the prisoner was stripped from the waist down and forced to sit over an open cage of starving rats. We couldn't allow the priest to go back to the other prisoners in the condition he was left in, so we finished him off." (Shainberg, p. 165)

    The NKVD thought the priest's example would have a sobering effect on the POW's but instead they curtailed their work. The NKVD retaliated by decreasing rations which made the prisoners too weak to work. When the NKVD started shooting prisoners who didn't work; the others turned on the guards with their axes and 192 Poles were shot.

    Now the Poles were more defiant than ever. When a collaborator lectured to them, they began to chant a prayer: "We Polish soldiers and prisoners of the Soviets have been brought here to foreign lands to die. We beg of you, Mother of God, to take care of our nation...Save us from German and Soviet imprisonment. We are offering ourselves as a sacrifice for the independence of our fatherland..."

    Of course this is the kind of self sacrifice and patriotism that our Masters don't want us to see.

    "Our task was impossible," Zaitzev wrote. "People who have never met these Poles will not understand how difficult it was to change their attitude toward us. No beating or abuse would make them stop their singing. They are a hard and proud people. Every day they get physically weaker but their anger and hatred increased."

    Polish historian Krzystztof Siwek tells me that Poland has declared April 13 a National Day of Rememberance of the Katyn martyrs. "A joint Polish-Russian commission was formed to develop an official position of both sides. Most of controversies remain unresolved. Russians fear that admitting fully to the crime against humanity would allow the victims' families to demand compensations and other penalties as in the case of Germany."

    MOVIES AS PROPAGANDA

    The goal of Illuminati Jewish bankers and their Masonic gentile collaborators is to meld the world's population into a single servant class in a "New World Order." This requires the destruction of the four legs of human identity: race, religion, nation and family.

    The Illuminati bankers established the USSR as a preccursor to the New World Order. The execution of the Polish elite was necessary to the longterm plan. The Nazis, also an Illuminati Jewish creation, treated Polish and other national elites in a similar fashion.

    The Illuminati are Luciferian. They wish to substitute their rule for God's natural and spiritual (moral) order. They need to destroy the Western European Christian heterosexual middle class to fulfill their agenda. Culture is a function of money and the Illuminati control credit. Thus our culture maintains a conspiracy of silence about the gradual subversion of Western Civilization by its own traitorous elite.

    Instead the focus, in movies for e.g., is on minorities. Clint Eastwood's "Gran Torino" is about a redneck who learns to love Asian immigrants kids. Oscar nominated "Slumdog Millionaire" is about Bombay street kids. Sean Penn's "Milk" is about a crusader for homosexual rights. Oscar nominated "The Reader" combines pedophilia and German guilt for the Holocaust. "Revolutionary Road" presents a negative view of marriage and the 1950's, a period when the nuclear family recovered. (I liked this movie, but not the message.) "Doubt" is about homosexuality in the Catholic Church. French Best Foreign Language nominee "The Class" is about immigrant youths and how lovable they are. And on it goes, movies are propaganda for the Illuminati agenda.

    When the movie is about white Americans, as in "Benjamin Button," no collective identity can be upheld, no universals revealed. Life must be literally turned upside down, in this case reversed from old to young, before it has any interest for the screenwriter, Eric Roth. This diverting but ultimately vacuous movie is a triumph of make-up. It has nothing important to say to Americans at this critical moment.

    So there should be no surprise that a film about Christian martyrs and patriots coming from an anachronism called a nation like Poland will be quietly swept under the carpet by Hollywood. Heaven forbid that the sheep figure out that the same fate may await them.

    by Henry Makow Ph.D.

    Source > HenryMakow.com | Jan 24

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    Quote Originally Posted by friedrich braun View Post
    ..... At one time, during the Warsaw Uprising in 1944, some extremely gruesome photographs of sexual torture of these women by Germans in uniform were scattered out of that building when the building was hit.

    During this time of the uprising many Poles put on German uniforms, I have seen many Polish films on TV here proving this, plus I have many original photos showing Czechs and Poles dressed in German uniforms shooting naked German prisoners in the neck after these partisans had stolen the uniforms...these photos were shown world wide as 'proof' of German brutality JUST as Stalins STAVKA order which required that Russian soldiers put on captured German uniforms and destroy Russian villages(ers) in order to stop the population welcoming the Germans.

    Germans dropped bombs on civilian population in Warsaw right at the beginning of the War. ....
    You'll have to elaborate on this. To which order do you refer and do you have the original text?
    "And God proclaims as a first principle to the rulers, and above all else, that there is nothing which they should so anxiously guard, or of which they are to be such good guardians, as of the purity of the race. They should observe what elements mingle in their offspring;..." Plato Politeia

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