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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatt View Post
    I think it's matter of your social benefits. They are less tempting for rich british than poor imigrants so birth rate among them is higher. I think UK should take a look on this system and stop donating people from abroad so much. Unless you just like it...
    yes, we do all know how soft we are about such things! Thing is -- we don't really have much of a say when it comes to such issues. Our democracy doesn't seem to be able to cope with these things. Indeed , perhaps most people " like it " that way - whatever the opinion polls tell us!

    Numbers have almost defeated the Serbs in the south of Kosovo - I fully expect that other Europeans will equally be "displaced".....:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freydis View Post
    Unfortunately, this is not the case. To get the citizenship that I have the right to, I must pay 1500$, go through several byzantine forms involving the whereabouts of my parents for the 42 years they lived in the UK, account for up to my paternal great grandfather, and many other ridiculous things. And I'm fully English. And so are my parents. And so is my brother. So I don't see the issue. But I can't get it right now because I don't have 1500$.
    But you weren't born in England, that's why you'd have to apply for it. In most countries of the world, being born there grants automatic citizenship, I would be surprised if this weren't the case in England too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridie View Post
    But you weren't born in England, that's why you'd have to apply for it. In most countries of the world, being born there grants automatic citizenship, I would be surprised if this weren't the case in England too...
    I don't believe that is the case in many countries.

    It doesn't matter that I wasn't born there, it is my right to have citizenship. I don't see why I have to pay 1500$. I guess it's just a moneymaking scheme because they can't get any out of the Somali refugees. I should apply for refugee status, it would be faster...
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    British Citizenship can be acquired in the following ways:

    1. lex soli: By birth in the United Kingdom to a parent who is a British citizen at the time of the birth, or to a parent who is settled in the United Kingdom
    British citizenship by birth in the United Kingdom

    Under the law in effect from 1 January 1983, a child born in the UK to a parent who is a British citizen or 'settled' in the UK is automatically a British citizen by birth.

    * Only one parent needs to meet this requirement, either the father or the mother.
    * "Settled" status usually means the parent is resident in the United Kingdom and holds Indefinite Leave to Remain (ILR) or Right of Abode. Irish citizens are automatically deemed to hold ILR.
    Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nationality_law

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    Wow! So find your way in, one way or another (not difficult), and Britain belongs to your children instantly. I don't see how anyone can be at all confused by high immigrant birth rates when privy to that nugget of information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freydis View Post
    I don't believe that is the case in many countries.
    It is roman law ius soli (law of the soil), and the Anglo-Saxons have adopted it (maybe already through the Norman-Conquest?).
    In the Germanic world, it has always been ius sanguinis (law of the blood), that's why we have so many "Russian-Germans" coming to Germany, even after 250 years, sadly we don't check how much German blood is left in their veins nowadays.
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freydis View Post
    I don't believe that is the case in many countries.

    It doesn't matter that I wasn't born there, it is my right to have citizenship. I don't see why I have to pay 1500$. I guess it's just a moneymaking scheme because they can't get any out of the Somali refugees. I should apply for refugee status, it would be faster...
    hmm. yes - sorry for all the trouble; don't worry , we all have to pay as well, just for living here. Soon - they WILL tax the air , just so as to keep it "green and clean". I am certain you'd be a far nicer "immigrant" than many others around here!

    I am sure that it does matter where you were born however -- "je ne regrette rien" may be in doubt perhaps !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freydis View Post
    Unfortunately, this is not the case. To get the citizenship that I have the right to, I must pay 1500$, go through several byzantine forms involving the whereabouts of my parents for the 42 years they lived in the UK, account for up to my paternal great grandfather, and many other ridiculous things. And I'm fully English. And so are my parents. And so is my brother. So I don't see the issue. But I can't get it right now because I don't have 1500$.
    I'm curous, why have you waited until now to claim British nationality? Would it have been easier if your parents had registered your birth at the British embassy or consulate? Have you ever traveled abroad before? It would seem that you would of had to have been listed on the passport of one of your parents when you were a child. I have the impression your parents are British citizens by birth. It seems weird to me that you do not automatically have the same citizenship as your parents. What would have happen if you were born in a country that did not recognize birthright citizenship? Would you currently be stateless? I have no experience in these matters but it sounds as though your parents have been irresponsible on this matter.

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    ""Of the total 669,531 births last year, 146,956 were to mothers born outside the UK. Among these, 25,948, or 3.9 per cent of total births, were to mothers born in Pakistan or Bangladesh, while 33,689, or five per cent, were to mothers born in Europe (( mostly Eastern)).

    The figures do not reflect the total number of babies born in Britain's ethnic communities because they exclude those of British-born second-generation migrants.

    More than 6,000 of the European mothers were from Poland, while there were also significant numbers of babies born to migrants from the other Eastern European states that joined the European Union in 2004.""



    ---its why these figures are so sinister. The babies born here will have joint citizenship by both routes - evenif their Polish mothers then choose to go home. It gets to be ever more internationale!! And off course there is no reason on earth why the others would want to go home ---- given how soft the english are about them!

    ... and British born second and beyond, why these are as British as anyone , it seems -- no more talk about Anglo-Saxons and the like ! Thats strictly for historians who, as everyone knows, are very dull people - and not at all with it - hip - let alone hop!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu View Post
    Critical mass can't be far off, surely???


    Or do we have to wait until every green blob on this map is dark red?
    Seems my land is totally full.

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