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    Re: England is genetically largely Germanic

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclone
    England is a strongly Germanic country (the ethnic English, at least), and they (the English) are very closely related to their Germanic kindred in continental Europe/Scandinavia. There is marked genetic/phenotypical similarity between most Germanic-speaking nations, even today. Truly a closely-related meta-ethnicity -- if there ever was one. Diverse in culture, but similar nevertheless.
    England is obviously Germanic, whether from the slighter Western Kelts or the physically bigger Anglo Saxons who came later. The faces encountered on an English street would be very different from the Welsh and Irish, though nearer to the Scottish.

    England is not especially Mediteranean and is unusually "weak" in CroMag types, from what I have seen. This is the opposite of the Celtic areas.

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    Re: England is genetically largely Germanic

    Quote Originally Posted by havocthief
    There is no specific anti-white bias, just a generalised multi-culturalist trend.
    I strongly disagree.

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    Re: England is genetically largely Germanic

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclone
    I'm actually not surprised at all. A few years ago this forum was inhabited a bunch of guys who were intent on 'proving' that the English were non-Germanic. Obviously this was a load of claptrap....

    Good times.


    Anyway, thanks for posting this study, cyclone. I'm glad to see that the PC dogma machine hasn't completely washed away ration and reason.

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    Re: England is genetically largely Germanic

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabitha
    It is start and that's a positive,it's a refreshing change in the zeitgeist of editorial comment.
    But thank you for letting me see through your blinkers.
    Sorry I almost forgot, nationalists are blinkered and rely on conspiracy thories, only multiculturalists take in all the facts before making decisions, that's the pat on the head they get.
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    Re: England is genetically largely Germanic

    I think the Germanism of England is out of doubt, but IMO meta-ethnicities have a lot much to do with culture and language than with genes. F.e., we Spaniards are Romance/Latin as Italians, but according to Cavalli-Sforza, we are closer to Scots, Irish, Belgians and Cornish, through the Y-Chromosome haplogroups.

    As Zyklop said in a previous post it would be interesting to know which haplogroups are considered as Germanic. I1a, I1c, and R1b3 would be okay IMO, as all were brought by the Germanic invaders, but it is funny to see, that f.e. R1b3 though Germanic, is much closer to the non-Germanic R1b "AMT", than to the other Germanic haplogroups.

    What about the mtDNA haplogoups? Did they significantly change with the Anglo-Saxon invasion or did remain unchanged? In most cases invaders took the women from the defeated ones, perhaps not marrying them, but as slaves/concubines. Was the Germanic invasion a pure colonisation by men, women and childre, or was just a "male invasion"?
    If the mtDNA has remained unchanged, that would largely reduce the non-Native element in England.

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    Re: England is genetically largely Germanic

    Quote Originally Posted by Monkshood
    Sorry I almost forgot, nationalists are blinkered and rely on conspiracy thories, only multiculturalists take in all the facts before making decisions.

    Well,we're getting snarky now, so before you start pulling my pigtails,we'll just have to accept that we disagree with each other.

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    Sv: England is genetically largely Germanic

    There's no conspiracy, but the media here in Sweden, the government, the established political parties and a majority of the people supports multi culturalism, they hate and fear nationalism and racial pride. Because for one, they feel sorry for those who come here, they think it is good that we give them a better life here, they think we are all equal and that there are no differences between us and them. They can't connect any of the problems we're having with the immigration either because that's not how they think.

    And secondly they have the holocaust in the back of their heads constantly when hearing about/being exposed to, nationalism/racial pride of any kind, if you're going to express any sort of criticism against the immigration, the multi cultural society or any of the other socialistic "equality" ideas and the liberal "accept everything" ideas you might as well call for the extermination of the jews in Europe while you're at it, because in their mind it's equally horrible. Any sort of critique against immigration in general, is equal to gassing people. It's just nuts, but it's reality.

    But then we have the question, how did it come to this? One things that i can think of is the growth of the socialistic idea of equality, and the idea of a "class struggle" (the results of which can be seen in my own family, never do i hear a raging debate about the decay of our society, the rampant crime or anything on that matter, instead, if there indeed is a debate, it is about how the rich people get even richer and how unfair this and that is when it comes to monetary questions). And then we have the eternal holocaust which definately marked the ideas i stand for for all eternity.

    Another thing to consider would be the ever increasing numbers of regular people who made it into politics during the second half of the 20th century, individuals who were very much influenced by the either socialist or liberal ideas when it comes to morality, ideas about equality, the denial of racial differences etc. These were people off the streets so to speak and anyone with a sharp mouth could gain access to the halls of power, at the same time that they had been taught about that evil holocaust and were filled with compassion for the struggling people of the third world who had been exploited by us whites during the colonialism days.

    And there was probably a myriad of other things which lead to this situation, i would focus the blaming game on parts of our own kind however, but if there are individuals here who still wants to read the protocol of the elders of zion as a bible, talk about a jewish world government and what more, have fun i say. I'd say that the jews in Europe and America has supported the same things which parts of our own kind supported, some have supported socialism, some liberalism. Some Jews own a big part of the media in most of our countries, they are often more wealthy on average than the rest of us and have powerful lobby groups in america that support israels interests and even further immigration to america.

    But there are big differences between Europe and America in that sense, and i just find it silly when some Europeans and Americans apply the American situation on all of Europe as if it's the same when it's not. It's not the same situation all over Europe either, in Sweden, individuals of our own kind as well as circumstances and developments as well inside and outside of our country are to blame for the situation we are in. It's not a jew who pulls the threads here, our own politicians does that just fine by themselves, and are running an agenda which the "elders of zion" would drool over...

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    Re: England is genetically largely Germanic

    The reason of why their sometimes considered non-germanic is mostly due to all the Latin and French influences in their language.

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    Re: Sv: England is genetically largely Germanic

    There's no conspiracy, but the media here in Sweden, the government, the established political parties and a majority of the people supports multi culturalism, they hate and fear nationalism and racial pride.

    Most Germans supported Hitler and hated and feared globalism and race denial, I agree personally but it shows you can never overestimate the general public.

    Because for one, they feel sorry for those who come here, they think it is good that we give them a better life here, they think we are all equal and that there are no differences between us and them. They can't connect any of the problems we're having with the immigration either because that's not how they think.

    The thing is with lefties and anyone who gets their cues from the mass media, which is controlled by immigrants, even if multiculturalism is a bad thing, they blindly accept it's a bad thing to think that multiculturalism is a bad thing. That's backward.

    And secondly they have the holocaust in the back of their heads constantly when hearing about/being exposed to, nationalism/racial pride of any kind, if you're going to express any sort of criticism against the immigration, the multi cultural society or any of the other socialistic "equality" ideas and the liberal "accept everything" ideas you might as well call for the extermination of the jews in Europe while you're at it, because in their mind it's equally horrible. Any sort of critique against immigration in general, is equal to gassing people. It's just nuts, but it's reality.

    Don't you think that's a bit suss? I'll just say it, no jews were gassed by the Nazis, I'm tired of trying to drop it gently to people. I'm not saying no jews died, many did of Typhus, but nobody was 'gassed' and nobody was made into soap or lampshades and nowhere near 6 million jews died, jews have been bemoaning "the holocaust of the 6 million" since at least as far back as 1919. Watch this video and make up your own mind, I promise you will be astonished: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...62742210&hl=en

    But then we have the question, how did it come to this? One things that i can think of is the growth of the socialistic idea of equality, and the idea of a "class struggle" (the results of which can be seen in my own family, never do i hear a raging debate about the decay of our society, the rampant crime or anything on that matter, instead, if there indeed is a debate, it is about how the rich people get even richer and how unfair this and that is when it comes to monetary questions). And then we have the eternal holocaust which definately marked the ideas i stand for for all eternity.


    If you really want to understand who replaced race with class and why I refer you to the following threads on the topic of Jewish influence on the social sciences and the transformation of race into a dirty word:

    The Boasian School of Anthropology and the Decline of Darwinism in the Social Sciences: http://tinyurl.co.uk/zn2w

    BEYOND BOAS: RECENT EXAMPLES OF JEWISH POLITICAL AGENDAS INFLUENCING SOCIAL SCIENCE RESEARCH: http://tinyurl.co.uk/kvgg


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    Boas engaged in a "life-long assault on the idea that race was a primary source of the differences to be found in the mental or social capabilities of human groups. He accomplished his mission largely through his ceaseless, almost relentless articulation of the concept of culture"'

    Another thing to consider would be the ever increasing numbers of regular people who made it into politics during the second half of the 20th century, individuals who were very much influenced by the either socialist or liberal ideas when it comes to morality, ideas about equality, the denial of racial differences etc. These were people off the streets so to speak and anyone with a sharp mouth could gain access to the halls of power, at the same time that they had been taught about that evil holocaust and were filled with compassion for the struggling people of the third world who had been exploited by us whites during the colonialism days.


    I'd say that the jews in Europe and America has supported the same things which parts of our own kind supported, some have supported socialism, some liberalism. Some Jews own a big part of the media in most of our countries, they are often more wealthy on average than the rest of us and have powerful lobby groups in america that support israels interests and even further immigration to america.

    But there are big differences between Europe and America in that sense, and i just find it silly when some Europeans and Americans apply the American situation on all of Europe as if it's the same when it's not. It's not the same situation all over Europe either, in Sweden, individuals of our own kind as well as circumstances and developments as well inside and outside of our country are to blame for the situation we are in. It's not a jew who pulls the threads here, our own politicians does that just fine by themselves, and are running an agenda which the "elders of zion" would drool over...


    There is a book that explains all this Patriotpatrik, The Culture of Critique by Prof. Kevin McDonald,

    http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/books-Preface.html

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en...itique&spell=1
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    Re: England is genetically largely Germanic

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-Alpine
    The reason of why their sometimes considered non-germanic is mostly due to all the Latin and French influences in their language.
    It's not only in the language though, there are some modern day representatives of non-germanic cultures (latin origins, frankish/norman, etc) even in phenotype. More, it's a fact that "germanic" culture permeated the entire continent at some give point and in different waves: for example, the Langbards, the Visigoths, the Swabians, etc, all brought germanic genes and germanic culture to other regions of Europe other than Central Europe, though this permeation of culture also occured in the inverse sense (Greek-Roman culture and genes also travelled northwards, etc).
    The issue has always been more about the gene pool; culturally England has been anglo-saxon since the first saxon warriors made the last britons either surrender or flee to the "Welche" land (be it the scottish Lowlands, Cornwall or Wales), and now further proof shows that genetically they have been mostly germanic since then and what can I say, most serious historians and archeo-geneticists have always said this, only the most PC crowd could possibly devise a way to change, in the eyes of the public, what is a known fact.
    That people breed with those they find attractive within their own ethnic population is all the eugenics I think is necessary. - Milesian

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