View Poll Results: Should Germany regain its land?

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  • Just Austria

    38 22.35%
  • Territories gained during 1871-1918

    88 51.76%
  • Territories gained during 1939-1945

    54 31.76%
  • Its colonies

    17 10.00%
  • Other

    24 14.12%
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    19 11.18%
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    AW: Germany's lost land

    Nice to hear, that the most national european are for germany getting his raped land back. Would you also support (in case of need military) germany getting the raped land back?
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    Re: Germany's lost land

    Not sure South Tyrol would spontaneausly join Germany nowadays

    "E tutti si scandalizzano quando sentono dire: quel tale tipo di mammifero o di uccello ormai è sparito dalla faccia della terra, non lo vedremo più; è una grave perdita. Certo, si tratta di gravissime perdite.
    Ma non sarebbe forse più grave se sparisse una comunità umana?? --Bruno Salvadori

    Seven pictures of northern European males and seven pictures of northern African males were presented randomly via a computer screen to 82 Italian female undergraduates of the University of Padua, Italy.
    Each picture depicted a full frontal face with a neutral facial expression. Participants were asked to classify each picture as either northern Italian or southern Italian.
    On average, the seven pictures depicting northern Europeans were classified as northern Italians 81% of the time. The seven pictures depicting northern Africans were classified as southern Italians 83%
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    Re: Germany's lost land

    There is a political party which wants seperation from Italy and join back to Austria.
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    Re: Germany's lost land

    Oesterreich obviously must join.

    Kaliningrad has much potential for negotiation, though I wouldn't include now-Polish territories of East Prussia in this readjustment.

    Poland lost much in the east in 45, and cannot be crippled now in the west. That would only lead to ill feeling and future tragedy. Perhaps that part of Hinterpommern that went as far as but did not include the Kaszub territories might be feasible. As I understand it historically, these lands belonged to a Slavonic Wendisch dynasty that voluntarily Germanised and was accepted by true German princes.

    I dislike any proposal that ends up with the Czech lands in the middle of an all too obvious pincer, just waiting to snap! Therefore I am afraid that Schlesien might have to be given up.

    The Sudetenland again is an awkward matter, if we are to continue to have a secure Czech state. Perhaps Egerland and Teplitz would be sufficient?

    Eupen and Malmedy and so on, and Elsass need reattaching, though perhaps not all of the latter. Same goes for the Tirol; some compromise ought to be achievable, like in the case with the successful Schleswig border.

    In an ideal world, every nation would have the right to selfrule, including the Lusatian Serbs. What would they wish for, however? I do not know.

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    Re: Germany's lost land

    Quote Originally Posted by Gesta Bellica
    Not sure South Tyrol would spontaneausly join Germany nowadays
    That's true. The Italian government has - almost by force - caused some 50.000 Italians, mostly from southern Italy, to settle in South Tyrol, especially in and around Bozen. Now these aliens are treated as if they were the same company as the natives. They have the same say in all matters concerning Tyrol. Certainly they would not like Germany.

    And then of course comes the brain wash. The Tyrolians were told in the last 60 years that all Germans are "Nazis" and that it is not good to belong to them. For that matter, it is much better to be an Italian Fascist. For the Italian Fascists at least cuddled the Jews and didn't gass them.

    They also were told - very much the same way as in Elsass-Lothringen by the French government - that South Tyrol "never existed in history", and that this area since ancient times "belonged" to "Italy".

    Though it was infact Italy which never existed in history till 1860.

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    Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: Germany`s lost land

    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie
    Is this a hyptothetic map after the Axis won WW2?
    No. The map is pure fantasy. And it was sketched by an Italian, not German.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mannerheim
    Yes it is though i believe that if Germany had won ww2 then this whole map would been one big Grossdeutschland.
    Rubbish.

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    Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: Germany`s lost land

    Quote Originally Posted by Allenson
    Being a Colonial--I'd better defer to Zyklop, Norgau, Phlegathon, Raven, Blutwolfin, et al....

    Allenson's response is correct since we have no stake in the matter, for me no first-hand knowledge, and someone would get pissed off by my ignorance. But there is another matter all of you are forgetting: German Antarctica-Neuschwabenland. Germany has a great legal claim to this land which is as follows in my mind:

    1. Ritcher Expedition claims section of Antarctica for Germany, circa 1938, called Neuschwabenland.

    2. Germany takes possessions of Denmark during World War Two which included Neuschwabenland's neighboring Danish land claim, Queen Maude Land.

    3. Germany surrenders, but Doenitz surrenders only the three fighting forces of Germany, not the civillian govenrment of Germany.

    4. About 1960-1961 a Treaty pledged a de-militarization of Antarctica. Germany did not sign nor could it because it was under occupation. There is a principle in the law, all law everywhere, which says anything anybody signs or agrees to under duress is invalid. At that time Germany was under duress.

    5. 1991, Germay and former Allied Powers of Occupation, France, Britain, USA, Soviet Union do a treaty ending WW2. Denmark was not a part of this treaty.

    So, Germany claimed Neuschwabenland and Queen Maude Land, never surrendered this land, never signed a treaty abridging this land now or ever. The "title" seems clear to me. Germany owns Neuschwabenland.

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    Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: Germany`s lost land

    Quote Originally Posted by Galaico
    Check out at this map, it was the SS wish for Europe:

    It hardly can be the "SS-wish", for the border of Poland is exactly (and that of Rumania mostly) the same as after 1945.

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    Re: Germany's lost land

    I would support any German vindication for lost land as soon as any German goverment would be ready to support a change of the actual "statuo quo" in the European Union. Those who require support must be ready to give support in exchange,

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    Re: Germany's lost land

    Quote Originally Posted by J.B. Basset
    I would support any German vindication for lost land as soon as any German goverment would be ready to support a change of the actual "statuo quo" in the European Union. Those who require support must be ready to give support in exchange,
    Could you explain, please, what exactly you mean by that? In a linguistical sense, 'change' is a so called "not very meaningful word". I. e. it must always be further specified.

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