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    Independence support 'growing'

    Cross border independence backing
    [original page - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/5184634.stm]
    The drive towards independence is gathering momentum in England as well as Scotland, it has been claimed.

    SNP leader Alex Salmond has welcomed a poll suggesting almost one in three people in England favour independence.

    The ICM poll for the Sunday Mail newspaper indicated 31% support in England to govern its own affairs.

    The SNP leader said it would be "much better" to have two self-governing nations who were friendly neighbours rather than "surly lodgers".

    Almost 900 English voters were questioned for the Sunday Mail poll.

    It found 31% of English voters would back independence, compared with 60% who endorsed the status quo. The remaining 9% were undecided.

    The telephone research was carried out by ICM between last Tuesday and Thursday.

    Speaking on BBC Radio Scotland's Sunday Live programme, Mr Salmond said the initiative for independence lay with Scotland.

    He said the latest opinion poll north of the border suggested 55% of people were in favour of independence.

    "I actually welcome the fact we see a rising sense of Englishness and that the St George's Cross is flown," Mr Salmond said.

    'Time for a change'

    "That seems to be a positive assertion of national identity which has been submerged for a great number of years."

    The SNP leader said he would not sit back and wait for the government to make a mess of things, but would instead bring forward ideas to capture the voters' imagination.

    "I believe the election next May is going to be about changing Scotland and changing it for the better," he said.

    "What's happening to Labour just now is that it's not just the incompetence we see in the Scottish Executive, not just the sleaze and corruption we see in Westminster.

    "It's the underlying feeling that people think they've been in power too long in London and Edinburgh, and that it's time for a change."

    Mr Salmond said a Nationalist government would hold a referendum on independence within the four-year term of the parliament, although he would not specify a date.

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    Re: Independence support 'growing'

    I would vote for independence ASAP.

    Balkanisation is the key. Multi-culturalists can have their own countries and racial separatists can have theirs.

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    Re: Independence support 'growing'

    Quote Originally Posted by havocthief
    I would vote for independence ASAP.
    I don't know. But I certainly know that being in a Union with Wales and Scotland and Northern Ireland is FAR down the list of problems facing my people.
    Balkanisation is the key.
    Because everybody knows what a paradise Bosnia, Albania and Makedoniya are...
    Multi-culturalists can have their own countries and racial separatists can have theirs.
    And how long would that last? A smashed Europe splintered into a bewildering pattern of Sharia theocracies, Umbongolands, and rump nationalist states? Fundamentally flawed, and moreover a surrender of everything our forefathers left us. It's all or nothing. Partial limited victories would only mean postponing annihilation.

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    Re: Independence support 'growing'

    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu
    Because everybody knows what a paradise Bosnia, Albania and Makedoniya are...
    They are the outcomes of larger federations. The people did not want to be ruled by foreigners, so they separated. The mistake was forcing these peoples together, not bringing them apart.

    And how long would that last? A smashed Europe splintered into a bewildering pattern of Sharia theocracies, Umbongolands, and rump nationalist states? Fundamentally flawed, and moreover a surrender of everything our forefathers left us. It's all or nothing. Partial limited victories would only mean postponing annihilation.
    Partial limited victories would mean securing the white European races for all time.

    A white only, zero African immigration state the size of Luxembourg is better than waiting infinitive years for the BNP to take power.

    The size of territory held by whites is far less important than establishing unmixed areas, which will stay unmixed forever.

    That is something that none of the "national socialists" on this forum can offer, because with them it is all or nothing. And it will be nothing, because the vast majority of Europeans are not interested in preservation, only in cutting welfare for immigrants or slowing down the immigrant flow.

    The Far Right or whatever the term is, offer a hotch-potch of left-right policies (usually economically illiterate), some worse than others, with race thrown on top.

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    Re: Independence support 'growing'

    Quote Originally Posted by havocthief
    The Far Right or whatever the term is, offer a hotch-potch of left-right policies (usually economically illiterate), some worse than others, with race thrown on top.
    That's a little bit harsh. With NS race comes first and everything else comes after.
    Anyway, I never thought I would sing the praises of Alex Salmond, but I agree, the time is right to dismantle the Union.
    Though I spent the first 9 months of my life in Scotland (due to my dad working there) I am English, and feel no connection to Scotland.

    The idea of 3 nation states on the island, on friendly terms rather than squabbling siblings, is a refreshing one.
    Then, if Great Britain is political history, the intractable mess of Northern Ireland will be Eire's problem.

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    Re: Independence support 'growing'

    Quote Originally Posted by Night Storm
    That's a little bit harsh. With NS race comes first and everything else comes after.
    And with more mainstream Nationalism too.

    Anyway, I never thought I would sing the praises of Alex Salmond, but I agree, the time is right to dismantle the Union.
    Though I spent the first 9 months of my life in Scotland (due to my dad working there) I am English, and feel no connection to Scotland.
    I do feel a connection though. Geographically I'm nearer, I suppose, and I have many friends there. That border is not between two immensely different unconnected entities. It's moved many times, and crosses many commonalities.

    The idea of 3 nation states on the island, on friendly terms rather than squabbling siblings, is a refreshing one.
    Then, if Great Britain is political history, the intractable mess of Northern Ireland will be Eire's problem.
    I wouldn't want to consign my ethnic kin to be someone else's 'problem'.

    I would hope that the nations would have all the autonomy they wanted, but would still keep some sort of overarching structure, and not just in a personal union of the Crown.

    Britannia and Albion are ancient permanent ideas, beyond mere politics, and with almost religious significance for some. Like me.

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    Re: Independence support 'growing'

    I don't believe that there will ever be an independent Scotland. Nor,would I ever want one. There is simply not the demand amongst the majority of Scots and the wrenching divorce after 300 years of partnership,is distinctly unappealing. All people, regardless of their politics, are instrinsically conservative,we all fear change and what change would be more seismic,than
    to realign a nation and set sail on one's own.

    To many SNP supporters this idea is extremely attractive,the opportunity for a fresh start. But I think our nations are stronger together than apart and that there is as much chance as the state of Texas from succeeding from The Union as there is Scotland hitching it's skirt and flouncing off.

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    Re: Independence support 'growing'

    I feel an affinity with the Scottish not because of any political links (although that must be a factor), but mostly because of the shared history. Every European grouping present in Scotland is present in England, only in slightly different quantities.

    Also, no one came along and told the Scottish to speak English. Although Scotland has its own language of Gaelic spoken in some areas - and it is good that it is kept alive - the Scottish began speaking English of their own accord centuries before the union of England. That is not only English influence, but similar ethno-cultural populations in both countries.

    It is possible to point to differing attitudes and ways in England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland, but the four are very similar to each other in contrast to any of the European nations.

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    Re: Independence support 'growing'

    Indeed, I'm Scottish but always write "British" for my nationality, I'm very proud to be British.


    Quote Originally Posted by havocthief
    It is possible to point to differing attitudes and ways in England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland, but the four are very similar to each other in contrast to any of the European nations.

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    Re: Independence support 'growing'

    Quote Originally Posted by havocthief
    I feel an affinity with the Scottish not because of any political links (although that must be a factor), but mostly because of the shared history. Every European grouping present in Scotland is present in England, only in slightly different quantities.
    Absolutely.

    But,
    - the Scottish began speaking English of their own accord centuries before the union of England.
    Most in the south east had never spoken anything else!

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