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    What is the range of pigmentation in Meds?

    Usualy a light-skin med is consider atlantid, and a atlantid with light eyes north-atlantid (nordid mix), but a pure med fenotipe(without nordid mix), could have light eyes, skin or hair?? or what lighter could be?

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    Re: what is the range in pigmentation in meds?

    Quote Originally Posted by joseanton
    Usualy a light-skin med is consider atlantid, and a atlantid with light eyes north-atlantid (nordid mix), but a pure med fenotipe(without nordid mix), could have light eyes, skin or hair?? or what lighter could be?
    Blondism plus Pinkism would disqualify a subject as "pure" med; but textbook meds can certainly have "light eyes" within certain confines i.e. ice-blue, grey, bright green, and certainly violet eyes would not be medish phenotypical traits. They would be exotic to say the least.
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    Re: what is the range in pigmentation in meds?



    the Southern Europid avrage is 7-12

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    Re: what is the range in pigmentation in meds?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-Alpine


    the Southern Europid avrage is 7-12
    ...Bricks?

    My friend,

    I am Nordic/Robust Med/Cro-Mag. and I think that I'm about an 11 on the brick scale.

    I take that back: there are no humans that are these colours. I wonder where the green 15's are (Martianoids)? Or how about the gold 20's-22's?

    Actually, I think I have seen a few 33's through 36's...
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    Re: what is the range in pigmentation in meds?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-Alpine


    the Southern Europid avrage is 7-12
    This table is very bad or I need a magnifying glass.
    the number 1 is identical to 10. the numer 8 is more dark than 10. nor either, this table take into consideration the pink tone of the skin.

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    Re: What is the range in pigmentation in meds?

    Nord-Atlantid is intermediate or transitionary between Nordid (Göta type) and Mediterranid (Insular/gracile Mediterranid). It is considered to be Nordid and any relation with southern Europids is speculation and mainly because of the (relatively) darker and comparatively more red hair (Lundman, 1988).

    I have noticed that many Mediterranean people try to (or are simply unaware and have not read the sources and make their own interpretations) change the definition to Mediterranid + slight Nordid, which is not how Lundman (first time 1943, as far as I know) defined the type.

    Quote Originally Posted by joseanton
    Usualy a light-skin med is consider atlantid, and a atlantid with light eyes north-atlantid (nordid mix), but a pure med fenotipe(without nordid mix), could have light eyes, skin or hair?? or what lighter could be?
    Last edited by Glenlivet; Sunday, July 23rd, 2006 at 03:00 PM.

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    Re: What is the range in pigmentation in meds?

    What´s your point with "mediterranian people try to change", Nordids and mediterranids are quite similar, the stronger diference is pigmentation, and that´s why I ask about, an atlantid is very similar to an atlanto-med.

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    Re: What is the range in pigmentation in meds?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glenlivet
    Nord-Atlantid is intermediate or transitionary between Nordid (Göta type) and Mediterranid (Insular/gracile Mediterranid). It is considered to be Nordid and any relation with southern Europids is speculation and mainly because of the (relatively) darker and comparatively more red hair (Lundman, 1988).

    I have noticed that many Mediterranean people try to (or are simply unaware and have not read the sources and make their own interpretations) change the definition to Mediterranid + slight Nordid, which is not how Lundman (first time 1943, as far as I know) defined the type.
    Do you feel that the 'Atlantid' term so many people seem to use is defunct? That it's basically an insular type which has remained in places like the British Isles? I'm not sure what you're saying about Mediterranean people are trying to appear more 'Nordid', most of them have no reason to. And there is no doubt that the Mediterranids in places like Wales are rather different from the continental ones. Even most of the dark eyed ones have lighter pigmentation, heigher stature, longer limbs, etc.

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    Re: What is the range in pigmentation in meds?

    Not really.

    Not all Nordids have the same origin, there are varieties, some are broader faced and more robust and others more narrow faces and gracile. They are more similar to each other than to any form of Mediterranid though. Nordids are easily distinguised from true Mediterranids. It is not only about pigmentation. Hooton did say that Atlanto-Mediterranids are (besides pigmentation) similar to Nordids. I am just not sure what he meant because his definition (see below) of Atlanto-Mediterranid is quite different from many author anthropologists.

    1. Upper Palaeolithic (“Galley Hill,” “Combe Capelle,” “Atlanto-Mediterranean”)

    a. Head form: very long, usually over 200 mm., very dolichocephalic, length-breadth index usually under 75; occiput protuberant
    b. Brow-ridges: usually large
    c. Forehead: usually receding
    d. Nasion depression: deep
    e. Hair form: usually very wavy or curly
    f. Nose form: usually straight, medium breadth and height, rather coarse
    g. Face form: often very long face, deep jaws, rather prominent malars
    h. Stature: usually tall (over 170 cm.) but may be medium, rarely short
    i. Skin color: generally dark

    Distribution: sporadic in refuge areas of Europe and the Middle East; probably commonest in Ireland, Scotland, Wales

    http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/texts/hootonmed/

    Not many South Europeans fit in that description, do they?

    Most south European Mediterranids are Insular and not Atlanto-Mediterranids (whatever it may mean, a tall robust Mediterranid or Mediterranid-Armenoid). It is only an idea spread in Internet forums and not by physical anthropologists.

    Quote Originally Posted by joseanton
    Nordids and mediterranids are quite similar, the stronger diference is pigmentation, and that´s why I ask about, an atlantid is very similar to an atlanto-med.

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    Re: What is the range in pigmentation in meds?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glenlivet
    Nord-Atlantid is intermediate or transitionary between Nordid (Göta type) and Mediterranid (Insular/gracile Mediterranid). It is considered to be Nordid and any relation with southern Europids is speculation and mainly because of the (relatively) darker and comparatively more red hair (Lundman, 1988).

    I have noticed that many Mediterranean people try to (or are simply unaware and have not read the sources and make their own interpretations) change the definition to Mediterranid + slight Nordid, which is not how Lundman (first time 1943, as far as I know) defined the type.
    The North-Atlantids, from what I've seen, are not mixtures of the classic Nordic type with small Mediterraneans. They resemble the very tall, dark eyed people found in the same regions, and in my opinion probably derive from an original population of the latter, but derive their lighter pigmentation from others such as early people of Brunn type, and from the later Celts.

    Beyond that it's probably just a case of how one chooses to define these mixtures. Lundman may have invented the term, but he is describing a phenotype and speculating on its origins, and of course his speculation isn't necessarily correct. So whilst one can't argue with his description of the traits which define the type, it is certainly still arguable whether he correctly identified the respective origins of the component traits.

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