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    Arrow Oriental Admixture in Eastern Europeans

    I believe it's quite difficult to tell someones origin from the way they look... Many Turks of North-Eastern Europe look Pontid (same as Gagauz of Ukraine).. Others look of a Nordid origin.. Then again you have to know that there are Arab influence in Ukraine..
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    AW: Eastern Europe..

    Karaim
    This girl is a quite typical and beautiful Pontid. The ethnic group has an interesting history...
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    Re: AW: Eastern Europe..

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    This girl is a quite typical and beautiful Pontid. The ethnic group has an interesting history...
    Funny thing is that she is not a Europoid, but to most here she is of the Pontid race.. As a matter of fact many Turks are like this because of Persian influence.. So now I am thinking I am probably Tatar/Turkic.. Here's another Polish Tatar (seems a little Pontid)..

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    AW: Eastern Europe..

    Funny thing is that she is not a Europoid, but to most here she is of the Pontid race..
    She is Europid/Caucasoid, thats for sure and racially European too, however, genetically she might have foreign influences and culturally she is "a problem case" most likely.

    As a matter of fact many Turks are like this because of Persian influence..
    Yes, many Turks are more like the people which lived in those regions before than true Turkic people by race which would mean Mongolid or at least Aralid-Turanid.

    So now I am thinking I am probably Tatar/Turkic.. Here's another Polish Tatar (seems a little Pontid)..
    Looks rather like a Dinaroid Turanid me thinks, if going after that picture he could be a Tadjik. Could be just Dinarid though, hard to tell...
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    Re: Eastern Europe..

    I see some Orientalid influences mainly Iranid

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    Re: Eastern Europe..

    I think it's entirely possible that East Europeans are related to Turks/Iranians/etc.

    I have a book that shows the movements of different Indo-European, Caucasian, and Iranian groups around the continent from 8500 BC. According to the book, the Slavs themselves didn't appear until 1850 BC, but before that, the same area was occupied by a group that was referred to as Pontic, Ponto-Caucasian, Ochre Graves, and by the Finns, who's population appears to have shrunken northward into Russia. The Ponto-Caucasian group at 2750 BC had a range that goes from above the Black Sea, which is where a portion of the Slavs later appeared. At 2250 BC, the Ponto-Caucasians split up into the Iranians and Ocre Graves.

    Another thing I noticed is that on the map of 480 BC, the Scyths appear N of the Black Sea, and the Iranians split up into the Sarmatians and Sakas who are N of the Red Sea, and far N East of the Red Sea, respectively. In 192 BC, the Sarmatians migrate into the Scyths land, which is directly south of the Slavs. It's probably there that they picked up some blood from those descended of Iranians.


    That, of course, is just from one book, "The Penguin Atlas of Ancient History" by Colin McEvedy.

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    AW: Eastern Europe..

    Iranians split up into the Sarmatians and Sakas who are N of the Red Sea, and far N East of the Red Sea
    Red Sea? I think you confused something...

    By the way, the Iranians had their centre in Southern Russia, Ukraine and Western-Central Asia, from which they expanded in all directions. Their types were mostly Nordoid, Mediterranid (Pontid) and Cromagnoid, with changes through time (more Nordoid-Mediterranid later, more Cromagnoid earlier). So they were racially European.
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    Re: Eastern Europe..

    Agrippa,
    Are the modern Pontids of Ukraine, Russia, and Poland directly descended from the Saka/Scythians?

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    AW: Re: Eastern Europe..

    Quote Originally Posted by Svetovit
    Agrippa,
    Are the modern Pontids of Ukraine, Russia, and Poland directly descended from the Saka/Scythians?
    Those are ethnocultural units, Pontids a racial one, there was never such a clear distinction since the Neolithics like Pontid X and Nordid Y for most regions. F.e. Pontids exist even in the Balticum etc.

    However, one can be quite sure that a lot of todays Slavic Pontids in Ukraine and Southern Russia were once Irano-Scythians, many Nordoid and Cromagnoid as well though...the relation of Iranians in Europe to Baltoslavs and Slavs in special are a complicated matter since there is not too much known about early Slavs...
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    Re: Eastern Europe..

    Quote Originally Posted by Svetovit
    Karaim

    Karaim from where? when i was on holidays in lithuania i have heard the story of a small group of Karaims that moved there and settled near the trakia castle..
    In the picture that i have seen in the castle's museum they looked darker than this girl on average and quite non-europid (or at least exotic to my eyes)
    Nowadays there are few centuries of them left, according to Lithuanian census

    "E tutti si scandalizzano quando sentono dire: quel tale tipo di mammifero o di uccello ormai è sparito dalla faccia della terra, non lo vedremo più; è una grave perdita. Certo, si tratta di gravissime perdite.
    Ma non sarebbe forse più grave se sparisse una comunità umana?? --Bruno Salvadori

    Seven pictures of northern European males and seven pictures of northern African males were presented randomly via a computer screen to 82 Italian female undergraduates of the University of Padua, Italy.
    Each picture depicted a full frontal face with a neutral facial expression. Participants were asked to classify each picture as either northern Italian or southern Italian.
    On average, the seven pictures depicting northern Europeans were classified as northern Italians 81% of the time. The seven pictures depicting northern Africans were classified as southern Italians 83%
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