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    A Christian Renaissance for Europe
    Fr Peter Bristow

    FROM APOSTOLIC TIMES, when it was first evangelized as a result of St Paul's preaching in Macedonia, Europe has been of particular importance for the Church, and the Church for Europe. The continent owes its very existence to the conversion of the barbarian tribes, such that by 814 Charlemagne's Christian Empire extended to the Elbe and the evangelization of the Slays in the next two centuries pushed its frontiers to the Ural mountains. "The history of the formation of the European nations runs parallel with their evangelization, to the point that the European frontiers coincided with those of the inroads of the Gospel."[1] From that time, Christianity has given to Europe its cathedrals and universities, its culture and its unity; in a word, its civilization.


    In contrast, when we contemplate the divided state of secularized Europe today, together with its permissive morality, its terrorism and the nuclear threat hanging over it, it is clear that it has much to learn from its Christian past. Furthermore, much of the rest of the world has been evangelized from the old continent, which continues to have an impact around the globe. What Europe and America (as an extension of Europe) do today, many other countries do tomorrow. For this reason, the present Pope proposes the re-evangelization of Europe as the key to the decadence of Western civilization and as intimately linked to the Church's worldwide apostolate. He writes: "Today, after twenty centuries, the Church senses the urgency and the duty to carry on with renewed efficacy the work of evangelizing the world and re-evangelizing Europe. It is a pastoral choice, reproposed in view of the third millennium, that flows from the mission to save the whole man and all men in the truth of Christ. Today more than ever, the evangelization of the world is tied to the re-evangelization of Europe."[2]


    The division of Europe and the self-destructive wars of this century convinced statesmen and thinkers alike in 1945 of the necessity of refounding the continent along the secure lines of unity and cooperation. Many of today's well-known European institutions are the fruits of such endeavours. But the continued Iron Curtain division of the continent is both an insult to its traditional boundaries and a symptom of the crisis of European civilization. However, what nobody has recognised publicly until the present Pope is the deep historical and spiritual implications of this problem.

    Spiritual and Historical Background

    The Holy Father comes from a country that is "Slav to the Latins and Latin to the Slays" and from the city of Krakow which is exactly midway between the Atlantic and the Urals. All Central and Eastern Europeans are still painfully aware of what for them are the evils of Yalta and, therefore, to them, the division of Europe is a live and not a dead issue.


    But the Pope is further aware that the crisis underlying this disunity is a crisis in men's hearts and souls. Unless a unity can be achieved based on justice and the guarantee of all the basic human rights, starting with the right to life itself, then no lasting peace will be possible, a fact with implications for the whole world. Men are divided not just by frontiers but disagree over a universal moral law and Lawgiver, making a common justice impossible. The task is urgent because "a house divided against itself cannot stand." Only, therefore, by a reassertion of spiritual values and the leaven of the Gospel can Europe be raised up again to a unity which can guarantee future peace. This is the challenge for the Church, which serves the world by serving God and, thereby, must be "the Good Samaritan of modern man."[3] Secularists may say this is a backward-looking solution, but they are forgetting Christianity's perennial newness and the vigour and relevance of its teaching in every age; as St Paul put it: "Jesus Christ yesterday, today and forever."

    The historical roots are also relevant. Two traditions, Western and Eastern, Latin and Greek, went into the making of what we know as Christendom. The separation of Constantinople from Rome already in 1054 was a first blight on the landscape. It was, however, the beginning of the end for Constantinople as far as its influence was concerned. The demise was hastened by the sacking in 1204 at the hands of the Crusaders and the establishment of the Latin Kingdom there, and finally sealed with its defeat by the Turks in 1453. After this a significant shift occurred. Moscow began to assume the role of Constantinople in Orthodox Christianity and with it the imperialist dreams of the Tsars were nourished, which, allowing for the changes in régime, have survived until this day. From this time it is truly said "A 'Third Rome' was arising to confront the Rome of the Popes."[4]


    In the West, during the period of the so-called Holy Roman Empire, the ultimate justification and sanction of human activity were men's rights and duties with respect to God. It was, for all its shortcomings, an age of Faith and this gave cohesive force and unity to the continent. Indeed, not a few of the Emperors were guilty of making Christianity a means to pursue their imperial policy and thus seeking domination over the Church, rather than an end in itself. For the last two hundred years, the age of Faith has been progressively cast aside in favour of the aptly named age of Reason.

    The Predicament of Modern Europe

    The materialism of the present day is the fruit of generations of secular ideologies and well-known historical events. This has ushered in the permissive legislation which is now enshrined in the legal systems of most European countries, so that only Ireland and Belgium have resisted legalizing abortion, and Ireland stands alone against divorce, having recently defeated proposed legislation. All this has usually been done in the name of freedom. "Let us rather ask ourselves if it is not the triumph of the principle of material well-being and egotism over the most sacred value, that of human life."[5] It has been said the Church was defeated, but is it not, rather, man himself who was defeated, is it not doctors "who have renounced the noblest oath and claim of medicine, that of defending and saving human life," is it not the secularized state that has been defeated by refusing to protect this fundamental right?[6]


    If the present trend continues, the European population, which in 1960 stood at 25% of the world's population, would drop to a level of 5% by the middle of the next century. These figures have led some to speak of the "demographic suicide of Europe."[7]

    All this has occurred despite the fact that from a Christian point of view, no legislation against the law of God can have any force of law. Too many Christians have a weak and inadequate grasp of their own faith. Underlying this, also, there is a practical atheism and agnosticism which has even led some writers to speak of "the death of God." But, since man is a creation of God in his origin, vocation and destiny, and from this he derives his dignity and rights, "the death of God" brings with it sooner or later the death of man.

    Towards a Renewal

    The Roman Empire itself collapsed not because of Christianity, as some said, but, as St Augustine argued, because the Christian virtues and values were not lived up to. Equally, tile successive collapses of Christian civilization have had the same cause. "It is not that Christianity has been tried and been found wanting, but it has been found too difficult and not tried," as Chesterton noted. The seeds of decay, nevertheless, point the way back. The solution is to return to the roots and re-discover the spiritual energy of the Gospel.


    In fact, there are striking parallels between the Roman Empire which Christianity encountered at its outset and today's world. When St Paul went to Athens "his heart was moved within him to find the city so much given over to idolatry ... He encountered philosophers, Stoics and Epicureans ..." He attempted to reason with them, but had limited success initially. On coming into contact with the Empire as a whole, Christianity found legalized abortion, sterilization, contraception and infanticide. Yet within two and a half centuries the Empire was Christian, recognizing the one true God and nobody was admitted to the Church without renouncing the immoral laws and practices. For many centuries hence the spiritual authority of God and the Church and the universality and objectivity of the moral law were held to be self-evident.


    Renaissance and renewal are the special feature of Christianity. Its doctrine of the Cross and conversion enables men and civilizations to rise like "the phoenix from the ashes." It happened at the time of St Augustine's conversion of England. of St Willibrod in Frisia and St Boniface in Germany. as well as at the time of the Slavic conversion by SS Cyril and Methodius. We have now come full circle and there is a need to start afresh and re-evangelize in the same spirit. The great evangelizers have been the saints and for today's task we need new saints. The Pope has written: "There is a need for heralds of the Gospel who are experts in humanity, who have a profound knowledge of the heart of present-day man, participating in his joys and hopes, anguish and sadness, and who are at the same time contemplatives in love with God."[8]


    The Vatican Council is the adequate instrument to bring the message of the Gospel to bear on the issues of the modern world. "We might well say that it represents the foundation and initiation of a gigantic work of evangelization of this modern world which has reached a turning point in the history of mankind, in which tasks of an immense gravity and breadth await the Church. According to its original inspiration the Council proposed as its aim essentially 'to bring the world into contact with the life-giving energies of the Gospel' (Apostolic Constitution Humanae Salutis)."[9]


    It is a bold and prophetic vision recalling Belloc's view expressed in the early 1930s that Europe would be Christian or it would not exist at all. If there is a renaissance of the Faith in Europe and the old continent rediscovers its identity, its Christian roots and spiritual values, it can contribute to the flowering of a new age of civilization and peace all over the world.

    Notes:
    1. Pope John Paul II. Declaration to Europe, 9-9-82, Cf. Sceptre Bulletin, 1986. p.71; 2. Pope John Paul II to the European Convention of the Missionaries to Migrants, 27-6-86; 3. Pope John Paul II to the European Council of Bishops' Conferences, 11-10-85; 4. H. Daniel-Rops, History of the Church of Christ. Vol. 4, p.103. J.M.Dent & Sons, London 1961; 5. Pope John Paul II to the European Council of Bishops' Conferences. 11-10-85; 6. ibid.; 7. ibid.; 8. ibid.; 9. ibid.

    © Fr Peter Bristow 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Nationalist
    Sorry your link doesn't work. I'm assuming you're refering to this link?
    http://www.white-history.com/hwr17.htm

    Mostly resorts to either irrelevant and/or circumstancial evidence to try to prove that Christianity is a fraud. It even goes to some ridiculas lengths like here http://www.white-history.com/hwr17a.htm

    I'm not going into the ridiculas and obvious notion that crucifixtion was invented in the Greco-Roman world, WELL DUH! No it was the Nubians who crucifed Jesus!

    The fact that Christianity incorporated certain pagan rituals and symbols is totally irrelevant people. In fact it proves that Christianity can and has adopted itself to different cultural traditions, thus in many ways discrediting the notion that Christianity and nationalism are incompatible.

    As for Christianity being nothing but a copy-cat of Mithraism:

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10402a.htm

    RELATION TO CHRISTIANITY

    A similarity between Mithra and Christ struck even early observers, such as Justin, Tertullian, and other Fathers, and in recent times has been urged to prove that Christianity is but an adaptation of Mithraism, or at most the outcome of the same religious ideas and aspirations (e.g. Robertson, "Pagan Christs", 1903). Against this erroneous and unscientific procedure, which is not endorsed by the greatest living authority on Mithraism, the following considerations must be brought forward. (1) Our knowledge regarding Mithraism is very imperfect; some 600 brief inscriptions, mostly dedicatory, some 300 often fragmentary, exiguous, almost identical monuments, a few casual references in the Fathers or Acts of the Martyrs, and a brief polemic against Mithraism which the Armenian Eznig about 450 probably copied from Theodore of Mopsuestia (d. 428) who lived when Mithraism was almost a thing of the past-these are our only sources, unless we include the Avesta in which Mithra is indeed mentioned, but which cannot be an authority for Roman Mithraism with which Christianity is compared. Our knowledge is mostly ingenious guess-work; of the real inner working of Mithraism and the sense in which it was understood by those who professed it at the advent of Christianity, we know nothing. (2) Some apparent similarities exist; but in a number of details it is quite probable that Mithraism was the borrower from Christianity. Tertullian about 200 could say: "hesterni sumus et omnia vestra implevimus" ("we are but of yesterday, yet your whole world is full of us"). It is not unnatural to suppose that a religion which filled the whole world, should have been copied at least in some details by another religion which was quite popular during the third century. Moreover the resemblances pointed out are superficial and external. Similarity in words and names is nothing; it is the sense that matters. During these centuries Christianity was coining its own technical terms, and naturally took names, terms, and expressions current in that day; and so did Mithraism. But under identical terms each system thought its own thoughts. Mithra is called a mediator; and so is Christ; but Mithra originally only in a cosmogonic or astronomical sense; Christ, being God and man, is by nature the Mediator between God and man. And so in similar instances. Mithraism had a Eucharist, but the idea of a sacred banquet is as old as the human race and existed at all ages and amongst all peoples. Mithra saved the world by sacrificing a bull; Christ by sacrificing Himself. It is hardly possible to conceive a more radical difference than that between Mithra taurochonos and Christ crucified. Christ was born of a Virgin; there is nothing to prove that the same was believed of Mithra born from the rock. Christ was born in a cave; and Mithraists worshipped in a cave, but Mithra was born under a tree near a river. Much as been made of the presence of adoring shepherds; but their existence on sculptures has not been proven, and considering that man had not yet appeared, it is an anachronism to suppose their presence. (3) Christ was an historical personage, recently born in a well known town of Judea, and crucified under a Roman governor, whose name figured in the ordinary official lists. Mithra was an abstraction, a personification not even of the sun but of the diffused daylight; his incarnation, if such it may be called, was supposed to have happened before the creation of the human race, before all history. The small Mithraic congregations were like masonic lodges for a few and for men only and even those mostly of one class, the military; a religion that excludes the half of the human race bears no comparison to the religion of Christ. Mithraism was all comprehensive and tolerant of every other cult, the Pater Patrum himself was an adept in a number of other religions; Christianity was essential exclusive, condemning every other religion in the world, alone and unique in its majesty.

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    Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple

    Incest:

    Genesis 19: 30-38 And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters."
    And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:"
    Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father."
    And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose."
    And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father."
    And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose."
    Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
    And the first born bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day."
    And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irish Nationalist
    Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple
    That means that ones love for God should come before everything else. This concept is not entirely that unique to Christianity I hope you know.

    As for the incest, yes I've heard of that story. Nowhere does that show that God approves of that, in fact its really trying to explain that even the best of humanity has its faults. IE, nobody is perfect.

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    Post brief critique of Christian theology

    Christians are polytheists. Jesus says there is one God, not 3, God says in his Revelation to Moses He (God) is Lord. Jesus never anywhere in the Bible says to worship Jesus or "pray in his name," he did not do so himself and neither did his disciples. Most American Christians believe a person can only "be saved" through Jesus (i.e. only people who worship Jesus can go to heaven). Where is the proof? Where in the Bible does it say this?

    http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible/

    "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the LORD is one." (Deuteronomy 6:4)

    "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one." (Mark 12:29)

    Jesus prayed to God. When Jesus had risen, the people praised God, not Jesus. They realized Jesus had not raised himself to heaven, it was the work of God.

    Christians believe in "Original Sin", i.e. they believe Adam and Eve were cursed by God for disobeying Him and so all mankind is born in a state of sin and only the "blood of Christ" can wash these sins away. Would a just God allow this to happen? How is a newborn baby who can't even speak or walk a "sinner?" Baptism is a type of ritualized murder of a child's innately sinful spirit.

    Christians break some of the Commandments.

    The Ten Commandments
    "And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God…

    ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

    Christians break this commandment by worshipping Jesus and a "Holy Spirit," Catholics also worship and pray to the mother of Jesus and pray in the name of certain saints.

    TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

    Statues of Jesus, the Virgin Mary and other figures are forbidden, but these things are found in most churches.

    THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

    FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

    Christian sects differ on whether the Sabbath is Saturday or Sunday.

    FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

    SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

    Strongly Christian president, predominantly Christian Army, War in Iraq- need I say more?

    SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

    EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

    NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

    TV preachers for instance are constantly lying about those they oppose.

    TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'

    Christians have created idols out of Jesus and his mother and of the Saints. Christians believe in magical powers from the saints' dead body parts, magical waters, magical rocks, etc. These are things imagined by mankind, not ordained by God. The bible warns against magic and sorcery.

    Isaiah 47
    11 Disaster will come upon you,
    and you will not know how to conjure it away.
    A calamity will fall upon you
    that you cannot ward off with a ransom;
    a catastrophe you cannot foresee
    will suddenly come upon you.

    12 "Keep on, then, with your magic spells
    and with your many sorceries,
    which you have labored at since childhood.
    Perhaps you will succeed,
    perhaps you will cause terror.
    13 All the counsel you have received has only worn you out!
    Let your astrologers come forward,
    those stargazers who make predictions month by month,
    let them save you from what is coming upon you.

    Revelation 9:21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.

    Revelation 21:8
    But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars–their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.


    The Bible took 3,000 years to write from 24,000 books in several languages. It is translated and retranslated. Different translations of the bible contradict one another.

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    I originally wrote a long reply to this, but the connection was going so slow that I was disconnected while trying to post it. Well here goes nothing in trying to retrace my steps.

    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    Christians are polytheists. Jesus says there is one God, not 3, God says in his Revelation to Moses He (God) is Lord. Jesus never anywhere in the Bible says to worship Jesus or "pray in his name," he did not do so himself and neither did his disciples. Most American Christians believe a person can only "be saved" through Jesus (i.e. only people who worship Jesus can go to heaven). Where is the proof? Where in the Bible does it say this?
    As the Athanasian Creed explains: "the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God." There is one God but takes 3 distinct forms. This concept can be found in many other religions including Ancient Egyptian and Celtic heathenism.

    For more detailed info on the concept of the trinity, including where in scriptures it is mentioned; visit here http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm#II


    Christians believe in "Original Sin", i.e. they believe Adam and Eve were cursed by God for disobeying Him and so all mankind is born in a state of sin and only the "blood of Christ" can wash these sins away. Would a just God allow this to happen? How is a newborn baby who can't even speak or walk a "sinner?" Baptism is a type of ritualized murder of a child's innately sinful spirit.
    Inheriting original sin is in many ways no different than inherititing a certain disease through genes. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11312a.htm

    Christians break some of the Commandments.

    [INDENT]The Ten Commandments
    "And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God…

    ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

    Christians break this commandment by worshipping Jesus and a "Holy Spirit," Catholics also worship and pray to the mother of Jesus and pray in the name of certain saints.
    We do not pray to Mary and/or the Saints. We venerate them. http://www.users.qwest.net/~dkturner/why2.html

    TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

    Statues of Jesus, the Virgin Mary and other figures are forbidden, but these things are found in most churches.
    The 7th ecumenical council in 787 AD declared that it is perfectly ok to protray Jesus, Mary, and other figures in picture because they were all human beings with a real human body. Making a picture of Jesus is no more a sin than making a picture of your mother.
    http://www.assumptioncathedral.org/a....asp?faq_id=29

    SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

    Strongly Christian president, predominantly Christian Army, War in Iraq- need I say more?
    Bush belongs to a fringe movement that claims to be Christian. It should be mentioned that most Christian leaders(Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant) around the world opposed the war. Here's an example from the Orthodox Church http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/metrphilip-iraq.htm


    While our country is on the brink of war with Iraq, it is the opinion of the Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America that our esteemed President and governmental leaders rethink their position and the logic behind this impending conflict. Such an attack will destabilize the entire region, cause untold harm to countless children and other civilians as well as bring political and social unrest to an already troubled area of the world.


    Many Catholic/Orthodox theologians even pointed out that Bush's war in Iraq violates traditional Christian teachings on the just war.


    NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

    TV preachers for instance are constantly lying about those they oppose.
    That hardly consists of the vast majority of Christian leaders.

    The Bible took 3,000 years to write from 24,000 books in several languages. It is translated and retranslated. Different translations of the bible contradict one another.
    Well maybe you need to learn about the whole history of the writting down of the Bible. First off, competiting factions tried to implement their own theologies into the Bible and often rewrote verses or took entire books out of the Bible. This can especially be seen by comparing any Catholic/Orthodox bible with a Protestant bible; you'll notice the Catholic/Orthodox bible will have more books. Then there's just the simple question of translating such a book into a different language; which is not easy as anyone whose studied a foreign language will know. Often some languages have words for certain concepts, others do not. Some explain it in an entirely different way. So of course you're going to have
    some Bibles saying one thing in one language and its not going to be 100% exactly the same in another language. I'm sure God is well aware of this, otherwise we would not have had mankind speak so many different languages!


    So this is my answer to your arguments!

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