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    Re: Racial classifications in Latin America

    The thing is, such classifications can't be applied nowadays, as such direct mixtures occurred long ago, and the continued intermixing make it impossible to determine the exact blood proportion
    It´s true, but I think that it is possible to have an approach.

    And as example Almendra Gomelsky, she said once that she has an guarani indian great-grandmother, the rest of her family comes from diferents countries of europe like germany, poland, I´m not sure Russian maybe, well that´s make her "white people" (white people = 1/8 amerindian), and of course that´s that she looks like.
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    Re: Racial classifications in Latin America

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    Re: Racial classifications in Latin America

    Racial classifications in Mexico and Peru during Spanish rule and in the French colonies:

    In Mexico:
    From Spaniard and Indian,
    Mestizo
    From Mestizo and Spaniard,
    Castizo
    From Castizo and Spaniard,
    Spaniard
    From Spaniard and Black,
    Mulatto
    From Spaniard and Mulatto,
    Morisco
    From Morisco and Spaniard,
    Albino
    From Spaniard and Albina,
    Look the other way
    From Indian and Look the other way,
    Wolf
    From Wolf and Indian,
    Zambahiga
    From Zambahiga and Indian,
    Cambujo
    From Cambujo and Mulatto,
    Albarazado
    From Albarzado and Mulatto,
    Barcino
    From Barcina and Mulatto,
    Coyote
    From Coyote and Indian,
    Chamiso
    From Camisa and Mestizo,
    Coyote
    From Coyote Mestizo and Mulatto,
    Go no further

    In Peru:
    From Spaniard and Indian,
    Mestizo
    From Spaniard and Mestiza
    Quadroon, Quinterón,
    From Spaniard and Black,
    Mulatto
    From Spaniard and Mulatto,
    Quadroon, Quinterón,
    From Spaniard and Mulatto,
    Quinterona, Requinterona
    From Spaniard and Mulatto,
    Requinterona, White People
    From Mestizo and Indian,
    Cholo
    From Mulatto and Indian,
    Chinese
    From Spaniard and Chinese,
    Chinese Quadroon
    From Black and Indian,
    Zambo
    From Black and Mulatto,
    Zambo

    In the French colonies:
    From Griffe and Black,
    Sacatra
    From Black and Mulatto
    Griffe
    Mulatto and Griffe,
    Marabon
    White and Black,
    Mulatto
    White and Mulatto,
    Quarteron
    White and Quarteron,
    Metif
    White and Metif,
    Meamelouc
    White and Meamelouc,
    Quarteron
    White and Quarteron,
    Sang-mele

    A Catholic priest, missionary in Brazil, give us his opinion about the racial classifications there:


    "Racial classifications in Brazil are not as sharply defined as in other nations. The Portuguese colonists who settled Brazil had a more relaxed attitude toward interracial relationships than other Europeans and often intermarried with Africans and Native Americans. In addition, racial classification often reflects an individual's economic or social standing. For example, a Brazilian of mixed racial heritage who has done well economically may be classified as white."

    "The white population tends to be slightly more prevalent in urban areas while the black and mulatto population is slightly more populous in rural areas. There are also some strong regional variations. In the Northeast, where large numbers of slaves were imported during colonial times to work the sugar plantations, more than 70 percent of the people were recorded as black or mulatto in 1996. In the Southeast the population was classified as 66 percent white and 33 percent black or mulatto; in the South, which was settled mainly by European immigrants, more than 82 percent of the people were recorded as white. Brazil is widely regarded as a racially open society, with few ethnic tensions, and there is no recent history of legal discrimination. However, whites tend to occupy positions at the top of Brazil's social structure, while blacks often occupy the lower economic levels of society. Considerable room for social mobility exists among individuals with a mixed racial heritage."

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    Re: Racial classifications in Latin America

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Jarl
    By the way, what do you think about "criollo"? I believe it originally applied to sons of Spaniards and pure descendants
    This is correct. The term originally referred to children of unmixed Spanish blood (well, at least as unmixed as madrileña or andaluza blood) born in America.

    I don't know about what's happened to the term since the rise of republicanism, though. A lot of good stuff died at that time.

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    Re: Racial classifications in Latin America

    hey, that classification makes me feel dizzy. What a mess! Did they really use all these classifications??.

    Why did they mix in the first place??.

    Thank god we are a very racialist nation, tho not enough in my opinion. A lot more than those Mexicans For god's sake!

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    Re: Racial classifications in Latin America

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    Thank god we are a very racialist nation, tho not enough in my opinion. A lot more than those Mexicans For god's sake!
    Well, I don't think Argentina is more racialist than Mexico. There are more whites in Argentina because it received many more white immigrants, but saddly Argentina is full of reds that don't care about racial preservation.

    On the other hand, most of the first European settlers in Mexico carried no women, so intermixture was inevitable. But pure white Mexicans are much more racially aware than Argentinians, as the caste system in Mexico has remained pretty unchanged since colonial times.

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    Re: Racial classifications in Latin America

    Quote Originally Posted by Galaico
    Well, I don't think Argentina is more racialist than Mexico. There are more whites in Argentina because it received many more white immigrants, but saddly Argentina is full of reds that don't care about racial preservation.

    On the other hand, most of the first European settlers in Mexico carried no women, so intermixture was inevitable. But pure white Mexicans are much more racially aware than Argentinians, as the caste system in Mexico has remained pretty unchanged since colonial times.
    I generally agree. However, I wouldn't say that the local lack of racial awareness is mainly because of the abundance of "reds", as you put it. Of course, they certainly don't help, we know their kind. I'd say it's more of a sort of complex social-cultural thing, hard to explain (I'll try to explain better in the future). But the point is that our society is not very racialist. Don't know about Mexico and it's alleged "caste system", but, compared to a whiter country as the US, we are certainly much less racially aware and much more prone to intermixing than white Americans.
    I'm dumbfounded by Here's commentary...perhaps your "circle" is very racialist/racist, but most people I know (High/middle class Argies -predominantly "white") just care little about/completely ignore the issue. Whenever they address it, it's in a very hypocritical way; they would insult and denigrate Bolivians or low class mestizos, but wouldn't mind dating a nice looking mestiza...that's not very racialist, IMO.

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    Re: Racial classifications in Latin America

    true, either way, compare to Mexicans, most people I know denigrate Bolivians and Peruvians and won't date it.


    My point was that Argentina was more racially aware since day one, with the killings of indians and the sistematic extermination of the blacks in the internal wars in the 19th century. And then, the repopulation of the lands with the immigrants.

    Anyway, that only shows that there were many racialist people at that time.



    I agree with you that now most people is not racialist at all, if we compare them with Americans imo too. But comparing Argentines with MExicans, we are still much more racialists.

    Well, after all that's the reason why Mexico is what it is now, a total lack of racial conscience...

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    Re: Racial classifications in Latin America

    In South America, do you have category names for Amerindian subraces?

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    Re: Racial classifications in Latin America

    Quote Originally Posted by Here
    My point was that Argentina was more racially aware since day one, with the killings of indians and the sistematic extermination of the blacks in the internal wars in the 19th century.
    That's nothing to be proud of, and has very little to do with racialism IMO, being more related to some kind of extreme supremacism.

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