Anthropological Remarks on the Swabians

[Frans_Jozef]

Seufz, ja. Bavaria is racially a country where Dinarid, Nordid and Alpinid race, in its ethnical origins, the glorious German tribe of the Baiern is a composition of the culturally Romanized Celtish population and then the Germanic Baiuvarii and other Germanic tribal elements who settled there in the time of the Völkerwanderung and Germanicized the country.

Okay, now open the next poll, so that we get through all that: the Swabians also have partly Celtic blood in them, and in some west German areas (Mosel valley), there is a certain old Mediterranean element.

Hellpach defines a Swabian face present in the surrounding areas on the lines Stuttgart-Constanz and Augsburg-Bern: a remarkeable chin, quite angular appearing as a levelled arch or horizontally, the mouth is broad and closed giving the impression of being sealed-up, while the corners create its characteristic "mounth's corner shadows".
The Swabian face is acknowledged as controlled, taciturn and predominantly serious-minded, but also very melancholic, hating to give their inner core to the public and behaving reserved.
Qualities pertaining to the Faelid race, even if it lays off from their main territorial distribution.

[Nordgau]

Hellpach defines a Swabian face present in the surrounding areas on the lines Stuttgart-Constanz and Augsburg-Bern: a remarkeable chin, quite angular appearing as a levelled arch or horizontally, the mouth is broad and closed giving the impression of being sealed-up, while the corners create its characteristic "mounth's corner shadows".
The Swabian face is acknowledged as controlled, taciturn and predominantly serious-minded, but also very melancholic, hating to give their inner core to the public and behaving reserved.
Qualities pertaining to the Faelid race, even if it lays off from their main territorial distribution.

Deutsche Physiognomik, a good book. But did he really interpret the Swabian face, the Swabian Gauschlag as Faelid features?

[Frans_Jozef]

Deutsche Physiognomik, a good book. But did he really interpret the Swabian face, the Swabian Gauschlag as Faelid features?

No, it's my own interpretation, but it's one way or the other of some UP providence, reminding that Stuttgart represents in Coon's opinion a isolated patch where the Bell Beaker Alpine-Borreby type has survived, this Gauschlag could be linked with the latter, though in some literature Faelids come by as both mesocephalic and brachycephalic, judging from the fact that in NW Europe long-headed Borreby types have been identified, one encounters some difficulties to hold them apart.

[Triglav]

No, it's my own interpretation, but it's one way or the other of some UP providence, reminding that Stuttgart represents in Coon's opinion a isolated patch where the Bell Beaker Alpine-Borreby type has survived, this Gauschlag could be linked with the latter, though in some literature Faelids come by as both mesocephalic and brachycephalic, judging from the fact that in NW Europe long-headed Borreby types have been identified, one encounters some difficulties to hold them apart.

Excuse my ignorance, but I thought that the Bell Beaker culture was Dinarid. Can you provide a few pictures of the type you described?

[Frans_Jozef]

Excuse my ignorance, but I thought that the Bell Beaker culture was Dinarid. Can you provide a few pictures of the type you described?

Lots of pictures, but no scanner for the moment to digitilize them.

The Bell Beakers were a composite population with mainly predominant Dinarid corpus, a strong Nordic elements and Alpinids, although the Zone Becher type in West Europe and a belt with its northern peak in Paderborn descending to Budapest was curvo-brachycephalic and modelled like the Grenelle Alpines, but they seemed to have longer faces and were high-vaulted.

[Triglav]

From PM:

What about this specimen:

Figure 3 in http://www.legioneuropa.org/Racediv/...Papers/p12.htm

- the geography would match. Is that it?

Another question: is curvo-brachycephalic something like globular?

Frans's answer:

Well, the Ladin-speaking Swiss with his relatively long face comes close to this Zone Becher type..

curved occiput, personally some Lapps and Gorids have real globular heads, while the western types have retain a certain Cro Magnon quality...

[Nordgau]

Funktioniert nicht, der Link.

[Triglav]

Funktioniert nicht, der Link.

There you go: http://www.legioneuropa.org/Racediv/...Papers/p12.htm

I guess I know what the problem was. I copied the abbreviated link that is displayed if it's too long, so there was no result. I corrected my post.

Bleiben wir international, Thorburnulf .

[Nordgau]

Bleiben wir international, Thorburnulf .

Ich bleibe deutsch, bis man mich ins Grab senken wird...

But let us write international (=English).

[Nordgau]

I split this out from the "Are Bavarians Germanic" thread, as it is a topic of its own.

With regard to the supposed Faelid element among the Swabians, you are in good company, Frans. In the "Baur-Fischer-Lenz", I can find in the Lenz part within a longer description of the mental type of the Faelid race the sentence: "Westphalia and Swabia are known as stubborn" (p. 746, edition of 1936), though this supposed Faelid element in Swabia isn't nearer explained.
The typical Sparbüchsenmund of the Swabian face strikes indeed as Faelid.