Wither goest the White Man?

[Parzifal_]

Ok folks, I gather from this forum that the fate of the white man is truely in peril. Well what to your minds is to be done about it? I hope to evoke intelligent discourse here with a view to understanding the psychology of race. Venting your rage and frustration may be good for you but is there any workable "plan" that might exist to "save" the white man from his apparent inexorable destiny (a horrific one of racial extinction, from what I have understood to be the pessimistic consensus in this forum).

Is it a new apartheid that will redeem the folk? Should the race eject all foreigners from Europe and close her walls? Should Australia be reclaimed as a white haven (after torpedoing the Aborigines to some other pacific island say?) Is there a plan? Israel has a plan that is workable for it. It is brutal and I abhor it but it will work if she succeeds. That plan is to traumatize the indigenous peoples into leaving then sealing all borders. It is short sighted but if your sight is 50- years short you will not care. The world will be a different place in 50 years and the policy makers will be dead by then. No one is going to make reparations for the past. It will be a done deal. That is as simple as it actually is. It worked here in the USA with the indigenous peoples (the reservations may as well exist on Mars - it is a fait accompli) and elsewhere (Australia a case in point) where land was appropriated and generations later it is too much of a quagmire to resolve...so it gets accepted. Bosnia is another pathetic example of how to get things done for some. Sure hudreds of thousands later...dead, lost, raped and forgotten, but the job is done - the Muslim presence in Europe is destroyed. That presence was an indigenous European presence, not the Islam of some hated "foreigner".

Such an Islam would have had different European accent and perhaps offered something of essence to the synergistic dialogues of a tomorrow that will never be. Europe is not a closed sphere and never has been. Mithraism was a pan-European mystery religion of Eastern origin way back in Roman times. Christianity is another import, albeit one that created tremendous oppresion in the middle ages. A European Islam is not such a strange possibility. Anyway, back to the point - its over with Bosnia. A done deal. No tribunal in the Hague is going to change the fait accompli. The plan worked...and everyone wanted it (yes even the late-to-act-to-save-face-and-look-good Johnny-come-lately U.S of A)

Is there a plan if indeed the white race is to be only a memory in 200 hundred years? Also what do you all think of South Africa as an experiment in racial separation? Did it fail because:
1. The white man was too greedy and created a hell-hole that would inevitably become his own.
2. The white man did not anticipate his eventual outnumbering and now exists a prisoner of his own creating?
3. The white man did not forcibly expel blacks to neighboring lands then seal his borders?
4. The white man did not encourage white immigration en masse and eat the costs in the short 25 year -term?

Is the plan a new "homeland", a new Atlantis, a new "Aryana" and if so where? Is the age of colonialism over and with it the hope of ever finding/taking such a place of "promise"? Is the white man indeed in need of saving? Is it a race of flesh that one must now seek to preserve or a population of higher types, intellectually, morally, spiritually and yes physically irrespective of DNA? Your thoughts?

[Gesta Bellica]

Ok folks, I gather from this forum that the fate of the white man is truely in peril. Well what to your minds is to be done about it? I hope to evoke intelligent discourse here with a view to understanding the psychology of race. Venting your rage and frustration may be good for you but is there any workable "plan" that might exist to "save" the white man from his apparent inexorable destiny (a horrific one of racial extinction, from what I have understood to be the pessimistic consensus in this forum).

Is it a new apartheid that will redeem the folk? Should the race eject all foreigners from Europe and close her walls? Should Australia be reclaimed as a white haven (after torpedoing the Aborigines to some other pacific island say?) Is there a plan? Israel has a plan that is workable for it. It is brutal and I abhor it but it will work if she succeeds. That plan is to traumatize the indigenous peoples into leaving then sealing all borders. It is short sighted but if your sight is 50- years short you will not care. The world will be a different place in 50 years and the policy makers will be dead by then. No one is going to make reparations for the past. It will be a done deal. That is as simple as it actually is. It worked here in the USA with the indigenous peoples (the reservations may as well exist on Mars - it is a fait accompli) and elsewhere (Australia a case in point) where land was appropriated and generations later it is too much of a quagmire to resolve...so it gets accepted. Bosnia is another pathetic example of how to get things done for some. Sure hudreds of thousands later...dead, lost, raped and forgotten, but the job is done - the Muslim presence in Europe is destroyed. That presence was an indigenous European presence, not the Islam of some hated "foreigner".

Such an Islam would have had different European accent and perhaps offered something of essence to the synergistic dialogues of a tomorrow that will never be. Europe is not a closed sphere and never has been. Mithraism was a pan-European mystery religion of Eastern origin way back in Roman times. Christianity is another import, albeit one that created tremendous oppresion in the middle ages. A European Islam is not such a strange possibility. Anyway, back to the point - its over with Bosnia. A done deal. No tribunal in the Hague is going to change the fait accompli. The plan worked...and everyone wanted it (yes even the late-to-act-to-save-face-and-look-good Johnny-come-lately U.S of A)

Is there a plan if indeed the white race is to be only a memory in 200 hundred years? Also what do you all think of South Africa as an experiment in racial separation? Did it fail because:
1. The white man was too greedy and created a hell-hole that would inevitably become his own.
2. The white man did not anticipate his eventual outnumbering and now exists a prisoner of his own creating?
3. The white man did not forcibly expel blacks to neighboring lands then seal his borders?
4. The white man did not encourage white immigration en masse and eat the costs in the short 25 year -term?

Is the plan a new "homeland", a new Atlantis, a new "Aryana" and if so where? Is the age of colonialism over and with it the hope of ever finding/taking such a place of "promise"? Is the white man indeed in need of saving? Is it a race of flesh that one must now seek to preserve or a population of higher types, intellectually, morally, spiritually and yes physically irrespective of DNA? Your thoughts?

I think Apartheid and immediate closure of the Borders are the most praticable solutions.
I'll explain why.
Unfortunately most immigrants apply for the less professional and requested job that the majority of europeans don't want to do anymore so they are really radicated in our society
The 80% of low level carpenteers and factory workers (like tournists) in Italy are extra-european ..they have low salaries that cannot even be compared with the average italians so the Political and Economy leaders will never ship them back as they are lowering the working force's costs...
I really believe that the situation is pretty much the same all over Europe.
That's why i don't believe we can get rid of them so easily but i still believe we can isolate them and preserve our cultural and racial existance.

[Parzifal_]

I think Apartheid and immediate closure of the Borders are the most praticable solutions.
I'll explain why.
Unfortunately most immigrants apply for the less professional and requested job that the majority of europeans don't want to do anymore so they are really radicated in our society
The 80% of low level carpenteers and factory workers (like tournists) in Italy are extra-european ..they have low salaries that cannot even be compared with the average italians so the Political and Economy leaders will never ship them back as they are lowering the working force's costs...
I really believe that the situation is pretty much the same all over Europe.
That's why i don't believe we can get rid of them so easily but i still believe we can isolate them and preserve our cultural and racial existance.

Question is, GB, is there any European nation or other white entity,that has enjoyed political and racial sovereignty, which has recognized the danger inherent in an immigrant worker force and taken the means to end it? Even Israel whose hatred of Palestinians is without doubt the most RABID manifestation of racial hatred in current times, quietly issues the "work permits" for those self same hated Palestinians. Do you think that any measure for genetic preservation short of genetic isolation is in fact workable in this age of cultural disintegration? How many folks in California who rage against the illegal Mexican presence, are prepared to go out and work the farms or clean the sewers? Heck, American slavery was out of a need for labor, only this time the shackles are economic. Will the white man ever give up his need for slave labor in spite of the "peril" to his racial continuity? Some would call it a savage sort of karma that he loses the thing most precious thing to him (his identity) by holding on to the thing he is most dependent on (slavery of one form or another).

[Gesta Bellica]

Question is, GB, is there any European nation or other white entity,that has enjoyed political and racial sovereignty, which has recognized the danger inherent in an immigrant worker force and taken the means to end it? Even Israel whose hatred of Palestinians is without doubt the most RABID manifestation of racial hatred in current times, quietly issues the "work permits" for those self same hated Palestinians. Do you think that any measure for genetic preservation short of genetic isolation is in fact workable in this age of cultural disintegration? How many folks in California who rage against the illegal Mexican presence, are prepared to go out and work the farms or clean the sewers? Heck, American slavery was out of a need for labor, only this time the shackles are economic. Will the white man ever give up his need for slave labor in spite of the "peril" to his racial continuity? Some would call it a savage sort of karma that he loses the thing most precious thing to him (his identity) by holding on to the thing he is most dependent on (slavery of one form or another).

That's the problem...
There is no strong political or national entity that recognize that danger... their efforts are all concentrate on denying that danger!!
Why? For bloody money.
The majority of the people would sell their family and even themselves for money, just take a look around...
They have no values, no ideals.
They just think about today and don't care about tomorrow, i am not worried for myself but for my potential children! How can i educate them to be proud of who they are while the whole world is a garbage dump full of mongrels?? Do u think that they will hear more their parents or their mongrel friends in school, pubs etc???
The youth are always restless and rebel...
of course as yiou said there's some latent racialism, a lot of people claim that the immigrations is too high, etc.. still they don't do nothign and they even become friends of some immigrants.
We need strong leaders.. on a leader can guide the masses and reawake some pride..
Look at how many white racialists are active here.. 200? and the whites in our countries are milions!!!
We are like the Roman Empire and the muslims are the chirstians of modern times...
They have a strong will and they ae willing to dai for their cause, how many white would become kamikaze for their race?
We are the new romans with full belly and decadent morals

[Evolved]

The first step in European preservation would be rejection of Ashkenazic-American "culture" and values. This is also a good move for other areas, since it has spread like a virus to all corners of the globe. What form should this take? Anything "other" would be positive, IMO. Heartfelt European Islam would be an advancement over the tradition-based and misinterpreted Christianity or atheism. Nazis who believe 'might is right' are a bit hypocritical to desire reversion to the conquered and discarded heathenism. I never was of the opinion that everything indigenous to European soil is innately superior and correct or that everything foreign is innately inferior and wrong.

The right path is indeed clear from the wrong.

Once the Judeo-American cultural influence is removed and something "other" replaces it- perhaps a spirituality, a devotion to some Higher Goal, a purpose -how do we go about removing people? Should we? We should encourage unassimilable immigrants living in Europe and America to return to their homelands and offer to improve their finances. "Get paid to be deported."

There's always been a lower class of unskilled laborers among Europeans, the same is true for every race. We need to change importing third world workers to 'NOT AN OPTION.' Organize boycotts of companies using immigrants. And once the foriegn cultural influence (the antireligion known as Judeo-American materialism) is removed, and replaced by something "other" people will ease up on lusting after the meaningless material possessions and status symbols. As a result lower class white people won't mind lower wages. The solution comes when white people realize that picking lettuce and living in a trailer does not make them less of a human being than the rocket scientist living in a mansion. It's not fair to compare it to Communism- there is no forced material equality. Instead, it's a total rejection of materialism and a willingness to accept one's place in the class system as unimportant (because the Higher Goal is more important).

Hyperethnocentricism does not suit whites and is unnecessary. The racism and notions of superiority of the past centuries caused most of the problems we face today. On the flipside, mixing the races doesn't solve the problem either, as there exists "shadism" in Brazil and different degrees of being "coloured" in South Africa. Creating a single brown race is not desirable, appreciating and preserving diversity is. The solution is to just be honest about racial differences and things will sort themselves out. Bring back honest scientific study of race, free of political taint from either the left or right. Even if there are still people who choose to marry across racial lines (it has been happening in America since the beginning via white males and native females) it will be a small minority who do so (just as it is now and always has been).

I don't claim to have the answer for racism. Multiracial societies are always going to have divisiveness and a lack of unity. Racism will never go away completely. I'm talking about keeping the races physically and biologically coherent (something clearly desirable). Prefering one's own kind over others is not the same as racism. If it were, prefering the opposite gender for romantic companionship over the same would be homophobia.

Also we should encourage economic development in the third world and make reproductive health education a priority in overpopulated places like India. They're ignorant. Send them free condoms and teach them about reproduction.

[Loki]

Europeans love having the "darkies" around. Seems they don't want to live without them. Here is a letter from an Englishman to a London newspaper:

Immigrants are good for us

David Blunkett should be applauded when he says there is "no obvious limit" on immigration to this country - and the arguments of his opponents discredited.

EU Commissioner for Justice and Home Affairs Antonio Vitorino had the best approach to the subject when, in a speech two years ago, he described immigration as "Neither a problem nor the solution to a problem. It's a reality."

We need to find out how we can most benefit from the tide of incomers to our country, not trying to set limits. There is plenty of space for people, if we are intelligent about where we encourage them to settle.

Britain is a densely populated country, but the regional variations are huge: Scotland's population, for example, is declining and they welcome immigrants to the cities and countryside as new lifeblood.

Reputable studies show immigrants can indeed "take" jobs from locals. But we have an economy which is always diversifying and creating jobs.

Hardworking immigrants sustain our public services by doing jobs others wouldn't. And those with young families will ease the demographic imbalance and pensions crisis that is facing us in 10 or 20 years' time.

Immigrants are a boon to our cultural life. Most importantly, they are a crucial part of British heritage. We have long been a mongrel nation from which we have thrived. It would be distinctly un-British and inhuman to shut the gates.

S Parks
Surbiton, Surrey

EVENING STANDARD
17 Nov 2003

[Gesta Bellica]

Europeans love having the "darkies" around. Seems they don't want to live without them. Here is a letter from an Englishman to a London newspaper:

Hmm i don't know about England..
Well i assure u that 90% of the fathers here in Italy would scream and shout if their daughters would date a black/muslim guy.. kinda like "Jungle fever"'s italo-american father..
Surely if they get an interview they would claim to be not racist.. and anyway lliberal extremist are everywhere
But i am a kid guy so I gladly wish to that man to find his SON in bed with a nice black guy so he will prove to the world how liberal and open minded he really is

[Parzifal_]

[QUOTE=Loki]Europeans love having the "darkies" around. Seems they don't want to live without them. Here is a letter from an Englishman to a London newspaper.

Your thoughts on South Africa, Loki? Do you think its possible for all whites to leave the country. Would they want to do that if it were in fact feasible. What do they feel is the future for them as a people who now exist in a sea of uneducated, morally reprobate, criminally acculturated, AIDS-devastated, economiclly non-functional and hostile blackness?

[Parzifal_]

[QUOTE=Joe1]

Europeans love having the "darkies" around. Seems they don't want to live without them. Here is a letter from an Englishman to a London newspaper.

Your thoughts on South Africa, Loki? Do you think its possible for all whites to leave the country. Would they want to do that if it were in fact feasible. What do they feel is the future for them as a people who now exist in a sea of uneducated, morally reprobate, criminally acculturated, AIDS-devastated, economically non-functional and hostile blackness?

What do members of this forum in fact think of the fate of white South Africa in view of the aforementioned circumstances they find themselves in? I recall Yeltsin invited White farmers to Russia (no references on hand, sorry), but what about the vast majority? Do you think its time for a gradual exodus to begin? I also await feedback to the first post. My qustion concerning South Africa is fundamentally this: did white men ever stand a chance of remaining in the ascendant in an ocean of blackness, in darkest Africa? Could their manifest destiny have been different if apartheid was not created or at least so brutally maintained?

[Von Braun]

Heartfelt European Islam would be an advancement over the tradition-based and misinterpreted Christianity or atheism.

Please explain why islam is preferable to atheism.