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    Re: Scotland Versus England

    Ok OK I really try to keep my responses high brow buit now i'm angered... NO we are not british NOwe should not recognize nor support anything british...we should reject all things british and remember that it is them that keeps the scottish flag off the books and only refers to the British Iles without any recognition of our seperate nation. They refuse to recognize officaly our parlamant,and every time I get near a brit here in the states all I here are insults at our expense! I refuse to accept anyones opinion of us as subjegate to the brits and frankly tabitha your remarks shock me from one who claims to be a real scot!? now I truly doubt you are anything scottish! I was raised to be proud of my heritage my history my familys past! and none of that involves favoring anything brittish!they only hang on to us now cause we discovered oil off the nor shores of wess! money grubbing theives!!!
    See what happens when you rile a scott who considers himself no expatriot but in every way still a homelander!!Just look around you at home and see what britain has done to our city's our economy! it is them that constantly fingers around in our affairs just like in Ireland and in India and all other countrys they've mussed around in,fine examples all. I am sickened by what Ive read here today!

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    Re: Scotland Versus England

    Quote Originally Posted by Bhreac View Post
    Ok OK I really try to keep my responses high brow
    A promising start!

    buit now i'm angered... NO we are not british NOwe should not recognize nor support anything british...
    Firstly who is the "we" if you are American. Secondly, the Scottish are of the same stock as the English. Some Scottish support a political relationship with England, some do not.

    I would remind you that the biggest instigators behind English-Scottish union have been the Scottish ruling classes. And in England today, all 3 major political leaders are born in Scotland or of Scottish descent, the PM & Chancellor both born in Scotland, Speaker of the House of Commons, Lord Chancellor and so on and so on.

    we should reject all things british and remember that it is them that keeps the scottish flag off the books and only refers to the British Iles without any recognition of our seperate nation. They refuse to recognize officaly our parlamant,
    If you are going to insult the British Isles try spelling it correctly. Of course Scotland is recognised as a nation. Scotland has a devolved parliament which is recognised and possesses many delegated powers. This is what the Scottish voted for. If the Scottish vote for full independence that is what they will get. The English are holding nothing back.

    and every time I get near a brit here in the states all I here are insults at our expense! I refuse to accept anyones opinion of us as subjegate to the brits
    That's because you are a humourless cretin who cannot take a good-natured ribbing.

    The Scottish do not need your help and they are not oppressed; they are not mono-toothed village idiots, sat on haystacks, chomping haggis and sipping Irn Bru.

    and frankly tabitha your remarks shock me from one who claims to be a real scot!? now I truly doubt you are anything scottish!
    Haaaaaaa.....

    I was raised to be proud of my heritage
    Got the Braveheart DVD as a Christmas present?

    my history my familys past! and none of that involves favoring anything brittish!they only hang on to us now cause we discovered oil off the nor shores of wess! money grubbing theives!!!
    So if the Scottish vote for independence, that will be denied to them? You are seriously misguided.

    You can keep the oil..... the English desire only Scottish babies, eaten after a slow flame grill.....

    See what happens when you rile a scott who considers himself no expatriot but in every way still a homelander!!Just look around you at home and see what britain has done to our city's our economy!
    That would be welfarism, drugs & alcohol to be precise.

    it is them that constantly fingers around in our affairs just like in Ireland and in India and all other countrys they've mussed around in,fine examples all. I am sickened by what Ive read here today!
    Yes, the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, India, Hong Kong, South Africa, really are blights upon the world, aren't they? The English should have stayed at home and left things to the Conquistadors, Nazis & Imperial Japan, they treated foreigners uniquely well compared to the English...

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    Re: Scotland Versus England

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabitha View Post
    This has led to a number of racial attacks, ?
    Not "racial" Lassie, merely nationalistic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gesta Bellica View Post
    if iw as Scottish i would not care about England
    Racial brothers and sisters should care for each other the world over. For "England" the government, however, not in the least.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glyndŵr View Post
    It's strange that the Scots feel so resentful towards the English. They were granted independence, after all.
    "Granted?" Oh how egalitarian of you Dear. How about the Scottish people earned independence? Or better yet, they simply deserve their independence like all free White peoples deserve liberty. Especially so too do our White brothers and sisters in South Africa deserve independence from being exterminated by the negroidal monsters as we speak. If there is going to be immigrants granted port to Mother England, how about our desperate White Afrikaners and White Boers instead of swarms of swarthy muslim pakies?

    Quote Originally Posted by OneFakeSaxon View Post
    The Scottish concentrate on their military history at the espense of England, instead of a broader understanding. I suppose Scottish nationalism could be seen as excessively masculine and violent.
    The Warrior Culture of Scottland is to be applauded by our White Kin worldwide. Not demonized by politically castrated geldings. Don't get too homosexual on us here, You One Fake Hetro you! Hahahaha.

    Here is my sentiments on this whole ordeal.

    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.p...754#post680754

    AND

    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.p...807#post681807

    I love ALL our White people. The Scotts who did this misdead which Tabitha posted of course should be gutted, de-nutted, and quartered to the four parts of Britain. BY THE SCOTTISH PEOPLE THEMSELVES no less! Where is the pride in eliminating the scum from our own cultural stock anymore? Nevertheless, I will be representing the good Scottish Folks in tomorrow's Veteran's Parade dressed in full regalia, kilt, sporan, and all. No, One Fake Saxon, you may not peek up me kilt to answer that age old question. Need I say more?

    We must secure the existence of Our Volk and a future for Germanic Children.

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    Re: Scotland Versus England

    I beleive that Scottish are going to be England's most loyal allies by the time they will manage to gain their independence.
    They are simply too proud to accept the second class citizen status they've given by the English ruled British state from the day of the union till today.

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    Re: Scotland Versus England

    It always amazes me when people in America act as though they have a better understanding of the situation in Europe than we. If you're Scottish, then your heritage is intrinsicly linked to the other British nations, however much you might despise them, so it's kind of dumb to distance yourself from them. You should be proud of your British heritage and identity, as well as Scottish. Speaking for myself, I was taught about Welsh, English and Scottish history at school. If Scottish culture is fading then you only have the Scottish youth to blame. Besides, it was the Scots, who weren't forced by the English, that signed the Act of Union in 1707, which technically bound them to English and hence British parliament.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser
    "Granted?" Oh how egalitarian of you Dear. How about the Scottish people earned independence?
    I used that diction because they WERE granted their independence. If Edward I had wanted to, he could've still occupied Scotland, but at such an expense that he granted them freedom. They did earn it, but that's beside the point. They were eventually granted independence, I wasn't trying to be pompous like you make out, just stating what happened.

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    Re: Scotland Versus England

    Quote Originally Posted by OneFakeSaxon View Post
    Got the Braveheart DVD as a Christmas present?
    He missed the end;
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkIP8sa1DTE

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    Re: Scotland Versus England

    20mg of intravenous diazepam before you post might work well for you.

    Distance, it is said, will make the heart grow fonder and I appreciate your defence of the old land, but the majority of Scots are quite content with the union and appreciate the benefits that it has brought to the country. Your image of Scotland is rose-tinted and unfortunately we are not all striding around manfully in our kilts, chewing on freshly caught haggis and lamenting the subjugation of our bonnie hills and glens by the modern successor of Edward 'Hammer of the Scots'.





    Quote Originally Posted by Bhreac View Post
    frankly tabitha your remarks shock me from one who claims to be a real scot!? now I truly doubt you are anything scottish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tabitha View Post
    What are your thoughts on Scotland's refusal to support England in the World Cup?
    I think it's their right to choose who they want to support.
    Why get upset about football?

    Personally I think it's ridiculous and results of the lack of confidence among the Scots
    So if they don't support England there must be something wrong with them?
    Interesting theory

    & the First Minister hasn't helped by refusing to support the England team.
    Yes, perhaps he should be legally obliged to upon penalty of death for High Treason to Her Majesty's government?

    This has led to a number of racial attacks, one on a disabled man and one on a seven year old boy who were wearing English football tops.
    Scottish and English people have assaulted each other for millenia.
    This incident was condemnable but I can't say it's either new or suprising


    When the Scots fail to reach the World Cup,why can't we then get behind another British team?
    Maybe because they don't like England or what it stands for?
    In any case, is it really that important to England that they see others supporting them? If so, one wonders who really has the "lack of confidence" here

    Quote Originally Posted by RedJack View Post
    I wondered that myself. I'd support Wales or Scotland if England was out of it.

    So the whole of Scotland has to return the favour?
    People will support who they want. Some Scottish people do support England's football team, more don't. It's entirely upto the individual.

    I sense a persecution complex here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamopy View Post
    I'm not that bothered by it. I was quite happy to return the compliment by laughing my arse off as Andrew Murray got knocked out of wimbledon.
    A sensible attitude, Jamopy

    The attack on the child, on the other hand, was so far out of order it's not even funny.
    Yes, that was out of order indeed.
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    Re: Scotland Versus England

    Quote Originally Posted by Milesian View Post
    Maybe because they don't like England or what it stands for?
    In any case, is it really that important to England that they see others supporting them? If so, one wonders who really has the "lack of confidence" here
    No dis-respect to Tabitha but 1) she's Scottish and 2) female, so maybe she doesn't appreciate the macho football rivalry. The English would never or rarely support a Welsh team, but that does not impair the affection and interest (and trading harmless jokes) for the Welsh on behalf of the English.

    Scottish and English people have assaulted each other for millenia.
    That's obviously rubbish outside of formal armed conflict and border raids. Millions of Scots & English co-exist on a peaceful basis across the British Isles.

    To assume otherwise is just a fantasy existing in the heads of partisan Irish Americans or Scottish Americans or whatever, wallowing in self-righteousness. Just an unhealthy self-identity which exists in a perpetual cycle of victimhood and rabble-rousing, topped off with cheesy cultural icons (Guinness / leprechauns / itchy jumpers etc etc etc).

    Genuinely, the last thing these Americans (fortunately a minority of the great Americans) want is for Scotland & Ireland to exist as normal nations with no outstanding issues, because then these plastic nationalists would have nothing to whinge about.

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    Re: Scotland Versus England

    Quote Originally Posted by Glyndŵr View Post
    It's strange that the Scots feel so resentful towards the English. They were granted independence, after all.
    When did this happen?

    I can remember watching a BBC news segment which took place during the world cup, where a reporter drove a car adorned with English flags and symbols through some working-class area of Glasgow. Within a few minutes a few Scottish youths smashed in all the windows and started jumping up and down on top of it.
    What's more interesting is why a BBC reporter felt the need to drive throughout some of the most underprivilged areas of Scotland while trying to provoke a negative reaction. The amusing thing is that most places he went people just ignored him, laughed, or maybe just drew their eyes off him.
    As I heard, it actually took quite a bit of effort to finally get this reaction.

    Now why would this reporter for the British Propoganda Service have went to all this (considerable) trouble in the first place?


    I'm a quarter English, but I think we should all support a British team where possible.
    Why does Britain have four teams anyway when every other country is permitted only one?

    I don't understand the mentality behind attacking vulnerable English people.
    Despite living in Wales? That's suprising.

    There is a lot of poverty and drugs in areas of Scotland, but even so, that can't be blamed on the English.
    Do you think hat's the reason for their dislike? They blame England on their poverty and drug problems?

    And it's pretty deplorable to attack children and the disabled.
    Yes, it is

    I don't understand this 'thuggish' behaviour by the Scots.
    Try following English soccer fans on their escapades and riots throughout Europe if you want to see real thuggish behaviour.
    The Tartan Army have recieved awards from football authorities for their fans exemplary conduct. I can't quite seem to remember the last time English fans earned something similar........

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