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    The Native Ethnic of Ireland (Not the Celtics!)

    I read an article about Ireland in a book
    There was an information,that before the Celtics arrived in Ireland,that there were other natives!
    What you know about them?
    I d like to know more about them!
    Maybe you can help me!

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    There is very little physical evidence about them. But it is believed that some of the myths and folk tales about races there before that humans displaced may be actually covering the tribes that lived there before. Ancestral memory sort of thing. It happened so long ago that in oral traditions this is how that memory lived on.

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    The Celts only seem to have arrived in Ireland late in the last millennium B.C. They must have entered in fairly large numbers though, because the pre-indoeuropean language of the then inhabitants has been all but totally erased. The first inhabitants of Ireland were nomadic hunter-gathers. They would have had small populations and they left few artefacts other than a small number of stone tools. Next came the so called "Beaker people" named after the large decorated stone and earthen-wear jars which were their cultures most notable innovation. They entered Ireland From Scotland and farmed the country for some 4000 years before the Celts.Regarding the language that these people would have spoken, nothing much is known; there are one or two river names that may have some pre-indoeuropean root, but even that is disputed.

    So several cultures existed in Ireland before the Celts, however genetic studies seem to suggest that there was never any large scale replacement of native people in Ireland and that while Ireland's present population is the result of incremental immigration over several millennia the bulk of the countries genetic base was already well established by at least 4000-5000 years ago.
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    I'm going to take a guess and say it was the Picts in Ireland before the Celts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teuton View Post
    I'm going to take a guess and say it was the Picts in Ireland before the Celts.
    The stories tell us that the Picts were refused land by the Irish when they first attempted to settle Ireland.

    The Picts are a largely unknown group of people. Were they from Scythia as proclaimed by the Venerable Bede, or were they here all along, vying for land and power against the later encroachments of the people now known as the 'Celts'?
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    Mesolithic/Neolithic British Isles

    This is a subject near and dear to my heart. I have spent 30 years researching the indigenous people of the British Isles. It is a challenging study, never the less I have understood for decades that the Celts made their way into Britain only about 5000 (give or take) years ago and included those ancient people in their mythology. Archaeological material is a bit rare but surfacing steadily to indicate native people lived there long before the Celts. They were hunter-gatherers that, in the interest of survival had to enjoy an encyclopedic knowledge of their environment. Consequently my research narrowed even further (although not exclusively) into exceedingly early ethnobotany, before hundreds of species were introduced from the mainland via Romans and Celts, among many others. I would thoroughly enjoy more discussion regarding this dazzling time in history.

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    I believe its basically the same people that were in Britain. The native Brits were later invaded by Celts. There were always some contact with Celts but there was a massive tidal wave when Ceasar invaded Gaul and the remaining Celts fled the blood shed northward. After that we then have various Germanic waves. The original native brits were seperate from the picts even who also were an older group there.

    They were all basically descended from Cro-magnons meaning they were all Caucasion Europeans which would explain the "genetic consistency". Modern Europeans across Europe vary little from the original Cro Magnons. There is some speculation though that lighter traits arrived relatively late (blond hair for instance) and that perhaps these older races were darker complected replaced by the more blond Germanics almost in recent history (or blended with them rather).

    Interestingly some of the oldest structures and artificats are found in Britain and france in areas such as England. Stone Henge and also various other artifiacts.

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    Mesolithic/Neolithic Britain

    I found that in order to understand the movement of ancient peoples into and out of Britain I had to do an indepth study of the impact glaciers (ice ages) had on migration. When most of Britain was intombed by ice the channels were empty making the west coast of Ireland the western most promitory of continental Europe. Hunter-gatherers followed the herds all the way across this region (southern Britain). They left evidence of their presence during at least four of these ice age migrations. Every time the ice retreated the channels filled with water again. Nothing about their presence 10,000 or more years ago as well as Doggerland is any great surprise. Its difficult to know yet if the final retreat of ice actually stranded people or that they had already decided to stay and create small settlements (Mesolithic). If memory serves there was another migration about 6000 years ago of Neolithic people, essentially the same people but a group that had advanced into animal domestication, pottery, agriculture, etc., practices highly impractical to the hard core hunter-gatherer group already in Britain. But no matter how limited the evidence has been found and much more will be handed up by our Earth very soon.

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    Perhaps they were last surviving Neanderthals who had a mixture of Homo-sapien, who drifted northward across the great sheet of ice so long ago, and the Celts just intermingled with them, and eventually deluded the Neanderthal blood out.

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