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    The Sami people today are largely mixed, therefore the question should be formulated differently, namely whether the original racial core group of the Sami, the Lappid racial type is Europid.

    Now that question too is difficult to answer, but clear is that they show extremes which are outside of the common European Europid variation, partly even outside of the general Europid variation and show clear Mongoloid or at least Mongoliform influences.

    In that way, as I said long time ago, from a racial standpoint its worse to mix up with a strongly Lappid than with most other Europid racial forms. Now the majority of the Sami people doesnt belong to that extreme racial form and they are culturally largely assimilated too, which makes that question more difficult for Scandinavia.

    But the core variants of the Lappid racial type are infantile-reduced, show Mongoliform traits and are rather disharmonic.

    If looking at movies like "Ofelas" the difference between them and normal European, even more so progressive Nordid people from Germanic nations, is very clear, even if the representatives are, like in that movie, already mixed and dont show the extreme form.

    In general one can't be too strict nowadays, but its clear that the Lappid type in the narrower sense is borderline to the European and even Europid racial variation.
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    I was under the impression Lapps were Western Europeans that gradually migrated from the Basque Ice Age refuge some 20,000 years ago. They are therefore representative of the same Solutreans that crossed the frozen North Atlantic to the Americas 17,000 years ago.
    They may look slightly strange, some have wide fat faces, some look Irish, some look the same as any other Northern Europeans (older racial stocks just have more genetic variation- as do Russians) but they aren't so alien as other peoples. I like the Lapps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forkbeard View Post
    I was under the impression Lapps were Western Europeans that gradually migrated from the Basque Ice Age refuge some 20,000 years ago. They are therefore representative of the same Solutreans that crossed the frozen North Atlantic to the Americas 17,000 years ago.
    They may look slightly strange, some have wide fat faces, some look Irish, some look the same as any other Northern Europeans (older racial stocks just have more genetic variation- as do Russians) but they aren't so alien as other peoples. I like the Lapps.
    Those who look like other Europeans are mostly the result of mixture. The Lappid core group is more alien than any other European group actually - biologically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa View Post
    Those who look like other Europeans are mostly the result of mixture. The Lappid core group is more alien than any other European group actually - biologically.
    There has certainly been extensive mixing between Swedes, Finns and Samis in areas where people belonging to the three have lived close to each other and where Samis have become Christened and taken up into parishes. To think that any sami today living inside the Nordic nations would have a family tree completely free from Swedes or Finns seems hard to believe when you consider how most of them look today compared to the Samis of the past.

    Sami women.

    Finns and samis.

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    Finn orginally meant sami, here in Norway we have a county called Finnmark (Finn-mark = sami land).
    Viking chiefs took taxes from the sami, and even though they lived side by side their culture and etnicity didnt mix alot. I think the sami people of north-europe should get their own country, but it isnt very realistic. The governments have large interests in oil and gas outside of north-Norway.
    Most sami here in Norway does live in the capitol, Oslo.

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    Thank you all for your responses!

    This is perhaps what I was talking about. On this forum the attitude towards them seems to be somewhat one of neutrality, but I have seen many other forums and people that prefer to either assimilate them completely, expel them, or sterilise them.

    This may seem rather radical, but how about treating them as fellow human beings ?
    Yes, rather radical. I am curious as to whether you would say the same about Muslims?

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    First, the Saami and the Germanic populations have lived separated since the dawn of time (coastal versus the inland/mountain population). Second, the Saami population has always been vastly outnumbered by the Germanic population. Third, the introduction of Christianity as a state ideology de facto established a boundary based on ethnic, cultural and religious antagonism.

    Analyses of classic chromosomal marker variation have also demonstrated that the genetic distances between the Saami and other European populations are significantly larger than between any other pair of European populations. Studies of mtDNA have identified large genetic distances between the Saami and other Europeans, including the Finns. Likewise, no overlap between Saami and the remaining European mtDNA patterns has been found. Hence, the Saami and the Finns must have different genetic histories.

    In contrast to the predominance of European mtDNA haplogroups observed among the Saami, nearly half of their Y chromosomes share a TatC allele (haplogroup N3) with most Finno-Ugric and Siberian populations. This variant is virtually absent in western and Mediterranean Europe; even among the Norwegians and the Swedes, populations that have historically lived in close proximity to the Saami, it is found at frequencies of only 4 - 8 percent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfadir View Post
    Finn orginally meant sami, here in Norway we have a county called Finnmark (Finn-mark = sami land).
    Viking chiefs took taxes from the sami, and even though they lived side by side their culture and etnicity didnt mix alot. I think the sami people of north-europe should get their own country, but it isnt very realistic. The governments have large interests in oil and gas outside of north-Norway.
    Most sami here in Norway does live in the capitol, Oslo.
    Well, from the anthropological literature I can say that most authors said that real Finns lived in the Middle parts of Sweden, not Sami. There were both Finns as well as Sami (further North) in whats now the state of Sweden, though whats now Finnmark was of course Sami land.

    Mainly the South was clearly Germanic and Nordeuropid originally, what shouldnt wonder if considering the Limes Norrlandicus:
    http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limes_norrlandicus
    http://www.diercke.de/bilder/omeda/501/100700_090_2.jpg

    Modern Nordid distribution after Lundborg:



    Mountainous or not temperate climate areas are significantly less Nordid on average and this distribution too is only understandable with the later expansion and rather modern methods.

    Compare with climate-race map I made:

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    Nice maps Agrippa - I notice a small area in the north of Norway which is coloured blue [- on the climate map]. I would have thought that this could well be a region for Lappish wanderings ( indeed, Lappland , according to the other map).... were they not governed by the movement of the animals there ?

    These are historically important folk in the eyes of many - they bring into northern thinking the Shamanic roots which Odin himself must have once encountered. Indeed , even Skadi of old...assuming she was not actually part of it......

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    is Renee Zellweger considered Europid. Yes. So i believe that Sami people are definately Europid. She has stong Sami Features IMO

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