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    Quote Originally Posted by Stríbog
    But you said that ultimately those who fight and bleed and die for a land have claim to it it. Did Russians not fight, bleed and die for Königsberg?
    No, they have no historical claim to it.

    It will not stay Russian forever.

    No one thought as late as the early 80s that communism in Europe and the Soviet Union was going to collapse one day. Yet, only few years later the Berlin Wall was gone and the Soviet Union was no more.

    You seem awfully sure that Germany will never regain those stolen territories.
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    You seem awfully sure that Germany will regain those teritories.

    How are you so sure that Germany doesn't become western Russia, or northern Turkey before that happens.

    Your theory goes both ways, y'know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    You seem awfully sure that Germany will regain those teritories.

    How are you so sure that Germany doesn't become western Russia, or northern Turkey before that happens.

    Your theory goes both ways, y'know.
    Is that your wishful thinking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by friedrich braun
    Is that your wishful thinking?
    No, I don't want to see any more wars waged within Europe, especially not white on white. But, let me remind you of some of your wishful thinking:

    Quote Originally Posted by friedrich braun
    No, they have no historical claim to it.

    It will not stay Russian forever.

    No one thought as late as the early 80s that communism in Europe and the Soviet Union was going to collapse one day. Yet, only few years later the Berlin War was gone and the Soviet Union was no more.

    You seem awfully sure that Germany will never regain those stolen territories
    Quote Originally Posted by friedrich braun
    Russians have as much of a claim on Konigsberg as they do on Paris.
    Your words are an elementary school example of wishful thinking .

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    It's not "wishful thinking", it's called prescience


    Quote Originally Posted by AWAR
    No, I don't want to see any more wars waged within Europe, especially not white on white. But, let me remind you of some of your wishful thinking:





    Your words are an elementary school example of wishful thinking .

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    Quote Originally Posted by friedrich braun
    It's not "wishful thinking", it's called prescience
    Germany already IS Northern Turkey to a large extent. Sooner or later München will be renamed Neu Istanbul. And you can't blame any Slavs for that, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stríbog
    Germany already IS Northern Turkey to a large extent. Sooner or later München will be renamed Neu Istanbul. And you can't blame any Slavs for that, either.
    Sure we can blame them. After all, it was your slavik polak brothers who started the war, it was you slavic soldiers which fought for judeo-bolshevism and destroyed the only force in Europe promoting racial purity and installing puppetregimes which let the Turks and other races flood Europe.

    Your replys all show me that you "slavs" have a deep rooted hatred of everything German. You can't fool me with reconcilatory words like "we don't want white people killing each other anymore" ect. It's just propaganda to lull us into security, just like Stalin did with his pact, while all along wedging his knife to stab us in the back at the right moment.

    It also shows what a twisted view of history and culture you have. Some Idiot makes the claim that the old Prussians were "slavs" and that the Teutonic Knights exterminated them all and then to steal their names. So here we have one of the first "Holocausts" of the evil Germanics which - oh wonder - is not even recorded and forgotten. I guess this all belongs to the typical "slavic" conspiracy theory, that the evil germanic are surpressing the truth about their crimes against the poor, peaceloving "Slavs". So there seems a direct line from the evil genocidal teutonic knights right up to Hitler which ambushed the peacefull and harmless fluffy stalinist bunnyrabbit. And destroying Königsberg and it's architecture and every sign of german culture was obviously just an act of historic justice and revenging the crimes and genocide perpertrated by the teutonic knights.
    Obviously you pan-slavs are nothing but a bunch of lunatics living out of touch with historic realetys. It also shows that you have absolutely no respect for other cultures. You are in my eyes not the slightest bit better then the neo-con yankees.

    What do you need Königsberg for? What interest is it to you? What historic and sentimental ties do you have to this strip of land? Do your old folksongs and tales tell of this land, like our's do?

    You cant even handle and keep intact your own vast country, but you always want more, more and more land. What have you made out of Königsberg today? It's practicly a dump. A run down province which is begging for foreign aid. And as usual - you come to us and wan't Germany to pepp up what you ruined. Eastprussia and Königsberg were once the "Gate to the East", the breadbaskett of the Reich? What have you made of it? It's the most aids-infested, rotten province of entire Russia, costing Russia more than it brings. And still you dream on of making Germany to "West Russia".

    So all the crazy claims you made about us, is nothing more than a mirror image of your own deeds. The only ones who ever commited a genocide on east-prussian soil was your darling Red Army (which you all cherrish so much!). You were the only ones who commited mass murder and ethnic cleansing in Königsberg (In the Winter of 1945 alone 175.000 Germans froze and starved to death in and around Königsberg AFTER the War!). The children of our people, who lost their parent through rape and mass-murder were roaming the forrests of east-prussia trying to find something to eat. Some crossed the border to the baltics and were eventually adopted. They were called "Wolfs-kinder" (They had a documentary on it on TV some time ago).

    So spare me you bullshit of past holohoax tales, so you can cover up the crimes on our people. You are just like the Jews, crying and whining of how evil the Germans are, so you can hide your own imperialist ambitions.

    As for Königsberg, it will will always be German and stay German untill the end of time. And we will never give up our claim on it, even in a thausand years. If your crimminals can make claims on our soil, based on some fake fantasys of pan-slavic lunatics, with borders at the Elbe and Berlin as of slavic origin, then we can do the same rightfully on what was, is and always will be German. It's not that we are demanding Kiev or Moscow, we want what is ours! And if you don't have the decency to aknowledge the just and rightfull demands of other nationalists, then any alliance or understanding with you is futile and counterproductive.

    So you better pray that Germany will eventually turn turkish or stay a colony of the yankee-jews, because they will be the only ones to recognize the theft of East-Prussia and renounce all claims to it. We know that you don't want proud partners in Europe, but just servile lackeys. Well I can tell you this, we true Germans don't kiss up to anybody and we will allways fight for our rights and Fatherland.

    East Prussia was settlement of the Goths. But I assume some pan-slav lunatic will claim that they were also a "slavic" tribe.


    One day the castle of Königsberg will be rebuilt and shine in it's old glory. And on it's streets blond german children will play again and german peasents will plow the fields of our ancestors. School-classes will be led to Neudeck and they will see where our great Hindenburg lived and died and at Tannenberg the old maousoleum for the fallen heros will be rebuild. And in entire Germany the bells from the cathedrals will ring with joy and the black-white-red flag will flutter over the capitol of our beloved East-Prussia.




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    I'm not Slavic, BTW.

    And if you boys need Lebensraum so badly, why don't you stick to invading France? At least you can beat them... The climate would be more to your liking, too... you didn't seem to like the cold of the Eastern Front very much.

    "It's not that we are demanding Kiev or Moscow, we want what is ours! "

    Actually you DID demand Kiev and Moscow, and you were denied them.

    "And on it's streets blond german children will play again and german peasents will plow the fields of our ancestors."

    Will these be more Polish kids kidnapped by the SS and forced to become "German" because they couldn't find enough blonde kids in Germany?

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    Quote Originally Posted by friedrich braun
    Russians have as much of a claim on Konigsberg as they do on Paris.

    Oh, I disagree. Russians have a right to Kaliningrad, not a "claim". It's called "the right of conquest". You stated the nature of this right quite well yourself:

    "Ultimately, territory belongs to those who have fought and bled and died for it." -- friedrich braun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russian Patriot
    Oh, I disagree. Russians have a right to Kaliningrad, not a "claim". It's called "the right of conquest". You stated the nature of this right quite well yourself:

    "Ultimately, territory belongs to those who have fought and bled and died for it." -- friedrich braun.
    Shhh, that only applies to territory for which Germans fought and died.

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