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    @ Jager - thanks so much for taking the time to explain that to me. I appreciate your honesty....

    Australia is for many of too less importance to think about it, not because they are not strong or competent, but because they are to silent to us.
    They are far away and you rarely hear some voice for our cause out of there.
    I didn't actually mean that I'm offended that people don't think about Australia often enough, though, when I said...
    I've recently become aware of just how little some Europeans seem to think of Australia and her people, and how limited some common views are.
    ... "thinking little" of someone/thing means to think that they're crap basically. LOL I wouldn't expect that the rest of the world would think about Australia very often... we are very distant from just about everywhere, and in the scheme of things, insignificant after all. It really surprises me though just how many people think that Australians really are largely descended from convicts (in reality, its a extremely low percentage.... in Australia to claim that you have convict ancestry is considered such a rarity that its seen as "special" and in this way even desirable! lol) And how many people think that due to this supposed descendance we are lesser humans.

    Yet it is an advantage for us in many ways that foreigners don't pay us too much mind.... I wonder how it would go down in a more powerful nation, one prominent pollie calling our Prime Minister an "ass licker" in a public statement for shamelessly sucking up to Dubya!! LOL The freedom of speech we have here is greater than in most other countries in the world methinks!! rofl

    I'd just like to say that my original topic title didn't include the "Was Hitler right?" bit. I can see why it was added though, just to make the title more specific. But like I said before, I don't really care if Hitler was right or not about Australia being only worthy of indifference.... I just wanted to know what other Germanic Preservationists on this site think. Are we Australians a part of the "Germanic people" that we are all wanting to preserve? Or are we unworthy in most people's eyes? Outsiders? I already left Stirpes because as a lowly "colonial" I am retarded apparently. I don't make the habit of staying in places where I am (or more indirectly, my people are) thought of as inferior.

    Anyway, like I've said before, I'm still new to all this "racialist" stuff.... (I'm about as "mainstream" as someone can get) and I find the degree of fragmentation within a group that are fighting for supposedly a common cause confusing and difficult to get my head around at times.


    And for what its worth, this more comprehensive quote that you've supplied Jager, puts a slightly different spin on the highlighted bit of the quote that I had previously read. It does make Hitler sound less contemptuous of Australia in this context. Thanks for that.....

    On Hitler, from his Tabletalks

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    What is happening in the Far East is happening by no will of mine. For years I never stopped telling all the English I met that they'd lose the Far East if they entered into a war in Europe. They didn't answer, but they assumed a superior air. They're masters in the art of being arrogant ! I was moved when Mussert said to me: "You will surely understand me at this hour. Three centuries of effort are going up in smoke."
    Himmler intervened: "We must consider this much compensation,that in this way the Dutch people will maintain its integrity, whereas,before, it was running the risk of corrupting itself with Malayanblood" Hitler continued: The Japanese are occupying all the islands, one after the other. They will get hold of Australia, too. The white race will disappear from those regions.
    Yes, I think at the time, the British govt was greatly resented in Australia for not giving a shit about us (whether it was justified or not). The British govt seemed to just want to take, take, take from Australia and give nothing in return....

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    Re: On Australia's future: Was Hitler right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridie
    Anyway, like I've said before, I'm still new to all this "racialist" stuff.... (I'm about as "mainstream" as someone can get) and I find the degree of fragmentation within a group that are fighting for supposedly a common cause confusing and difficult to get my head around at times
    You really hit the nail on the head there.

    See how an objective observer (you) can pinpoint it immediately?

    That is probably the most prominent reason as to why these groups throughout the years are getting nowhere near their alleged Cause.

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    AW: On Australia's future: Was Hitler right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridie
    I am wondering how many people here agree with this statement of Hitler's....
    This quote by Hitler proves again that the "Fuehrer" (not mine or anybody else's who cherishes the unity of the European gene pool) was anything but a fighter for the survival of the White race as a whole. Hitler was a chauvinist (= nationalist) and an enemy of pan-Aryan aspirations.

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    Sv: On Australia's future: Was Hitler right?

    Yes it would certainly better if we could all get along a little better, but i stand by my statement that the ones being obnoxious towards other people in here are in the absolute minority and those that are, well, to hell with them .

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    Re: On Australia's future: Was Hitler right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridie
    Yes, I think at the time, the British govt was greatly resented in Australia for not giving a shit about us (whether it was justified or not). The British govt seemed to just want to take, take, take from Australia and give nothing in return....
    Dear Bridie, I am deeply moved by this word of yours...

    Clark M. Clifford: A Viet Nam Reappraisal
    From Foreign Affairs, July 1969 (again in Foreign Affairs, January 2006)

    CLARK M. CLIFFORD, Secretary of Defense, 1968-69; Special Counsel to the President, 1946-50, and an advisor to Presidents Kennedy and Johnson.

    "I recalled that Australia, then with a much smaller population, had been able to maintain well over 300,000 troops overseas in World War II. (...) New Zealand at one time had 70,000 troops overseas in the various theaters of World War II."

    Why had so many Australians and New Zealanders to fight in Egypt(!) and Crete(!), against German elite forces like Rommel's Afrikakorps or the paratroopers early in 1941?? Which means before there was any Japanese attack anywhere in Oceania??

    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.p...194#post430194 #10

    The only thing Hitler demanded from Britain was "free hand" to fight Bolshevism.
    Nothing more - but also nothing less.
    Churchill, who was sort of "Chairman of the Joint Prime Ministers of the Empire" did not want to give him that. On the contrary, he wanted to hew off this very hand. Why?
    Some believe it was, because "Hitler was evil". In that reading, Churchill would have been the "good".

    A man should be judged according to what he achieved by his deeds.
    So what did he achieve in the end? When he was elected into the House of Commons, Oldham used to be his constituancy... let's have a look:

    http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=56704

    What has done more harm to the Australians sixty-five years ago: what Hitler said about them, or what Churchill did to them?

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    Why had so many Australians and New Zealanders to fight in Egypt(!) and Crete(!), against German elite forces like Rommel's Afrikakorps or the paratroopers early in 1941?? Which means before there was any Japanese attack anywhere in Oceania??

    Isn't that obvious?? Australia was, and still to a lesser extent is, under the thumb of Great Britain. Even today, our head of state is a Brit remember. Not only that, Australia has never had any choice but to ally ourselves with more powerful nations.... our land is vast and largely unpopulated, and our coastlines are to a great extent vulnerable.... we don't have the population, nor consequently the wealth to protect ourselves. If Australia had fought against supporting the allies in the 2nd WW what do you think would have become of us?

    Australia was merely a pawn for Great Britain to play with. We never had much choice in the matter. The relatively powerless never do.


    And this from that thread you provided a link to (I hadn't seen this thread previously)....


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    And I'm sure, neither my grandfathers, nor yours were ever asked if they wanted to fight in that war.

    Rhydderch's answer.....

    I wouldn't count on that. Large numbers of them went voluntarily, even lying about their age to get into the army.

    I'm sorry Rhydderch (if you read this), but that answer just pisses me off. You are obviously incredibly naive and have no clue about the reality of life for these young Aussie men and the social pressures (largely instilled via propaganda) that those who volunteered for service were subjected to. I'm too fuckin tired to go into it tonight (its midnight here now)... but my blood is boiling. Someone needs to slap some common sense into you.


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    What has done more harm to the Australians sixty-five years ago: what Hitler said about them, or what Churchill did to them?
    You're forgetting that I never said that I cared about what Hitler said about Australia beyond its relevance pertaining to Germanic Preservationists on this site PsOV about Australians and our place in the scheme of things.

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    Re: On Australia's future: Was Hitler right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridie
    I'm sorry Rhydderch (if you read this), but that answer just pisses me off. You are obviously incredibly naive and have no clue about the reality of life for these young Aussie men and the social pressures (largely instilled via propaganda) that those who volunteered for service were subjected to. I'm too fuckin tired to go into it tonight (its midnight here now)... but my blood is boiling. Someone needs to slap some common sense into you.
    Well, to sum it up, I think you've fallen hook, line and sinker for the indoctrination/propaganda practiced in schools and universities by the Socialist rewriters of history.

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    Re: On Australia's future: Was Hitler right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhydderch
    Well, to sum it up, I think you've fallen hook, line and sinker for the indoctrination/propaganda practiced in schools and universities by the Socialist rewriters of history.
    WW1, WW2, Vietnam - these are all tragic, foolish wars - and then you have still the war traumas - regardless of it being a total senseless conflict or not.

    Bridie's reluctance to armed conflict is not out of place - it doesn't reveal anything about her political stance, not in her case. For all I know, she could be autocratic and militaristic. Remember how the Spartans shunned democracy, because democracies were both decadent and warlike, while Spara was extreme isolationistic, for a long, long period.

    Still, the Spartan military was brave, prepared and second to none. Today they'd call the Spartan people ultra-fascist and what have you.

    For a godawful time the Spartans were only admiring their elite soldiers, and polished those swords and shields again and again - and I guess you could consider the Spartans real men.

    He who creates an empire will always sit amidst the rubble. The empire will come down one day. It always does. Even the Spartans got humbled.

    If there wasn't war, there wouldn't be conflict - hence no life (and maybe a world wide police state). If there has to be a war, it should be for something real, something every healthy man would wage a war for; his wife, children and his home. Being under attack makes the effort of defense absolutely necessary. And all the traumas in the world don't matter at that point.

    But the nation has nothing to gain by dead soldiers and traumatized veterans, ever - all of the citizens and soldiers affected by the war are real sacrifices.

    Sacrifice, that's the word, if it didn't hurt, it wouldn't be a sacrifice.

    At the very best, the lost men and the ones who survived, paid a very costly price, the worth of it will always depend on how peace situation af shall be used to gain something better out of something nasty.

    It's exactly because there are still brave men who would fight and die for the protection of what they hold dear - that most of the time these same men should be opposed - and cherished. You wouldn't want to lose the best men in your nation, I think. War will cause exactly that.

    And all of a sudden there's a weak generation after the guns are silent, and everyone's complaining about the good old days. Of course the personality of the nation gets altered after a war, the nation is made up of people to a more or less degree hit by it - and you'll get all sorts of crazy revolutionaries and cultural shocks - social emancipations - mostly the things any true patriot of his culture hates.
    “We think that we are born today tabula rasa without a history, but man has always lived in the myth. To think that man is born without a history within himself — that is a disease. It is absolutely abnormal, because man is not bom every day. He is born into a specific historical setting with specific historical qualities, and therefore, he is only complete when he has a relation to these things. If you are growing up with no connection from the past, it is like being born without eyes and ears and trying to perceive the external world with accuracy. Natural science may say, “You need no connection with the past; you can wipe it out”, but that is a mutilation of the human being.” – Carl Gustav Jung, 1957

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