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    Post Does Haplogroup J2 indicate Semitic Ancestry?

    Does Haplogroup J2 indicate Semitic/Jewish ancestry from thousands of years ago? This haplogroup is older than the religion itself. I see that some Southern Italians/Greeks have this haplotype, but does this necessarily indicate that they have Jewish ancestry if they have this marker? I heard it's linked to a Neolithic-Gracilmediterranid phenotype. I'm wondering about this because my Grandfather turned out to be J2, although he is Dinarid/Gracilmediterranid, so I don't know what to say. We have no Jewish ancestry whatsoever, and such a strain would probably not be present after thousands of years. In other words, an Armenid racial phenotype wouldn't be present I think. He had close matches to haplogroup I, although Israel, Russia, and Uzbekistan were listed for 12 marker matches. Would they just show up because this haplotype is closely related to the Semites and Sephardic/Ashkenazi Jews?

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    Post Re: Haplogroup J2

    I'm just a little agitated now, because my grandfather or anyone of the paternal side isn't Jewish or hasn't had any contact. I suspect it's probably old Eastmediterranid-Neolithic (Pontid?) contact over the years. Well most Albanians range from markers Eu9, Eu10, Eu11. Although my great-grandfather was I1b, which was probably old Illyrian admixture.


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    AW: Haplogroup J2

    It depends on the exact subgroup, in general it can be considered Neolithic if no other information is known about the family member.
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    Post Re: Haplogroup J2

    Well, it's J2 M172, so i'm suggesting it's Neolithic-Eastmediterranid. J1 usually it's a direct link to Jewish ancestry.

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    Post Re: Haplogroup J2

    We also upgraded from 12 to 25 markers and had no matches but from 12 marker matches we had tons for some reason. I've read though that almost every subgroup can be found within ethnic groups you most certaintly wouldn't think of, due to archaic admixture.

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    AW: Haplogroup J2

    Yes, its strong in Eastmediterranid/Pontid and Dinaroids.
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    Post Re: Haplogroup J2

    Yeah, it's probably not Jewish admixture, but rather old archaic Neolithic-Eastmediterranid/Pontid contact. If someone has Haplogroup J2 in Sweden or Germany for example, then almost every time you know they have Ashkenazi or Sephardic ancestors, right?

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    AW: Re: Haplogroup J2

    Quote Originally Posted by MrMediterranid
    Yeah, it's probably not Jewish admixture, but rather old archaic Neolithic-Eastmediterranid/Pontid contact. If someone has Haplogroup J2 in Sweden or Germany for example, then almost every time you know they have Ashkenazi or Sephardic ancestors, right?
    No, wouldnt say so, if its the rather common J2 variant for South Eastern Europe chances are high its Neolithic too.
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    Yeah, I would have to agree with you on that. Although my grandfather comes from Southeastern Europe, and has some matches or at least countries on the 12 markers listed as Israel, and Uzbekistan. I would suspect, some type of "foreign" or at least "uncommon" match or list from another foreign counry is normal, if very little.

    For some reason his haplogroup is just J2* M172 with no variant of whatsoever J2a, J2b, J2e, J2e1 etc... I suppose J2* is a common Balkan-South eastern Europe variant.

    We haven't done a Deep Subclade Haplogroup test yet, but it still says J2 M172 with high certainty. So like you said probably Neolithic-Eastmediterranid that's just a Southeastern European marker "Balkanized"
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    AW: Haplogroup J2

    Compare with this, which includes a very good explanation for misleading interpretations:
    http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read...-10/1097030255

    J2 being also more common in Upper Caste Indians, which might be interpreted either as a Dravidian (Neolithic-Protomediterranoid) or Aryan influence:
    http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2005/11...oup-j2-in.html

    So its rather a proof of (Eastern) Mediterranoid-Dinaroid and Neolithic ancestry than anything else. The same is true for Jews, which had, without a doubt, such a Neolithic component. But to call it "Jewish" would be absurd as long as one has no more details informations about subgroups.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J2_(Y-DNA)
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