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    Kvenland

    it seems that many european royalties all descends from finland

    http://www.aritek.com/hartgen/htm/of-kvenland.htm

    fornjot first king of finland
    kvenland was situated in north western finland

    Fornjotnr: Was a king in Kvaenland, (Queanland), which was north of the Gulf of Bothnia in present-day Finland, near the present Finnish-Swedish border. The early Danish settlers of Norway were in such awe of the size of the Finno-Ugrian people with whom they came into contact that they did not consider that they were men. These Jotuns, as they were called, were considered to be giants, and/or semi-gods by the Danes, and the Danes reasoned that the legendary Jotun King Fornjotnr, must have been the same individual as the Ymir of Danish mythology, and that his gigantic descendants must have been the frost giants.
    Anciently, the Finno-Ugrian people of this area were known as the Kvaenir, and are so mentioned in Egil's saga. These people were referred to as the Kainu and the Cvena. They were the Cwenas of Othere (Ottar), and were known as such by King Alfred. Their ancestors had come into Finland from the Northeast and were of Komsa culture.
    They spent some period of time in the Ob River Valley, and some of these Finno-Ugrians settled on the Yenesei. Anciently, they were known as the gigantic Ugrians or Yugorians. They were the Jotuns and frost giants of Norse mythology and the Gigantes of Titans of Roman and Greek mythology. One group went into the Black Forest area of Germany, and was to furnish the inspiration for the "Giant" stories of that area. Adam of Bremen and Tacitus knew these people and the former said that the gigantic Finns of this time were superior in strength and swiftness to the wild animals of the forest. The Danes believed that these giants had their original home in Jotunheim, or Utgard, outside of the limits of the Earth and Sea, and that they were descended from an earlier and wilder race of men. "There were giants in the earth in those days": (Genesis 6 Paragraph 4) It was a mixing of these Komsa culture Finno-Ugrians with the Tosna culture Danes, who (it is estimated) entered and settled south Norway about 600 B.C., which ultimately formed the Norwegian race. They met, fought, and gradually mingled in the Trondheim Fjord area of Norway. They became the Halfdanes, and the name, Halfdan, was common throughout Norway. Norse mythology tells of the struggles and conflicts between these two peoples.

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    Re: Kvenland

    Quote Originally Posted by Nephilim
    The early Danish settlers of Norway were in such awe of the size of the Finno-Ugrian people with whom they came into contact that they did not consider that they were men.
    Funnily enough, I read an interesting linguistic study of the word Finn once, with some relevance here...

    Finnar < *Fennar
    Germanic F comes from Indo European P by the sound shift in the famous Grimm's Law [eg. Pater / Father, pedo / foot], and so we have a *Penn-.
    That word might just mean The Men With The Big Penises...

    Giants, indeed!

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    Re: Kvenland

    it seems that the finns still got this giant genes from the ancient nordic god kings

    http://personal.inet.fi/koti/vaino.myllyrinne/

    and this huge finn giant from usa big louie moilanen 246cm

    http://www.ghosttowns.com/states/mi/boston-demmon..html

    the finns were the tallest people in europe according to racial observations in the 1800 century

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    Re: Kvenland

    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu
    Germanic F comes from Indo European P by the sound shift in the famous Grimm's Law [eg. Pater / Father, pedo / foot], and so we have a *Penn-.
    That word might just mean The Men With The Big Penises...
    Or alternatively just "dicks".

    Hmm, I remember hearing a saying, "the more north you go, the bigger they get.."

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    AW: Re: Kvenland

    Quote Originally Posted by Nephilim
    it seems that the finns still got this giant genes from the ancient nordic god kings

    http://personal.inet.fi/koti/vaino.myllyrinne/

    and this huge finn giant from usa big louie moilanen 246cm

    http://www.ghosttowns.com/states/mi/boston-demmon..html

    the finns were the tallest people in europe according to racial observations in the 1800 century
    This giant was just acromegalic, thats no normal racial condition in his case.
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    Re: Kvenland

    Quote Originally Posted by Urho
    Or alternatively just "dicks".
    Must have met Mannerheim's great great grandad...
    Hmm, I remember hearing a saying, "the more north you go, the bigger they get.."
    As a Northerner myself, I'm hardly going to disagree, am I?!

    Actually, who are the people in Tacitus's Germania who were supposed to have been ruled by women? Suiones or something? Was this just a mistaken translation of Cwenas? And does the latter mean anything in Finnish or is it obscure in origin?

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    Re: Kvenland

    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu
    Actually, who are the people in Tacitus's Germania who were supposed to have been ruled by women? Suiones or something? Was this just a mistaken translation of Cwenas? And does the latter mean anything in Finnish or is it obscure in origin?
    I think "Suiones"(/Swions/whatever) were thought to be Swedes (Svea people). Sithones are still unknown but one possibility is that they were a Finnish group. And there is indeed a strong mythologic heritage about Bothnia/Kainuu(Kvenland) having had a female ruler. And even some archaeological evidence; though the sword found in a female's grave in Tavastia is still just a single case (sword was a symbol of power in iron age Finland).

    I've heard that the word "Sithones" has a Germanic origin and it just means something like "dwellers of the periphery".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu
    Must have met Mannerheim's great great grandad...

    As a Northerner myself, I'm hardly going to disagree, am I?!

    Actually, who are the people in Tacitus's Germania who were supposed to have been ruled by women? Suiones or something? Was this just a mistaken translation of Cwenas? And does the latter mean anything in Finnish or is it obscure in origin?
    Kvens were called sithoni by the romans. kvens is in finnish kainuu, kainuu is the area were the kvens should have lived according to old documentaion.kvens ruled from the white sea in russia to vasterbotten in sweden a very large area.but the main stronghold of the kvens was the province of satakunta were archaeologist have dug up 900 viking type graves scandinavias biggest viking era burial site in the small village luistari. and the woman were buried in the same way as the men with swords and weapons.

    kvens was mentioned last time in 1270 according to historical documentation.but bothnia bay (botniska viken) was called kvenhavet or kainumeri even until the 1500ad.

    the swedish king Karl IX titled himself as the king of the kvens when he smashed an farmer rebelion in former kven country osterbothnia in the early 1600ad.

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    Re: Kvenland

    Quote Originally Posted by Urho
    I think "Suiones"(/Swions/whatever) were thought to be Swedes (Svea people).
    But I think Tacitus mentions the 'Suiares' too, no?
    I've heard that the word "Sithones" has a Germanic origin and it just means something like "dwellers of the periphery".
    Connected with ME 'side', HD 'Seit'?
    Germanic names don't necessarily preclude Finns though. Consider Wales.

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    Re: Kvenland

    Here's Publius Cornelius Tacitus to correct my poor memory;
    Beyond the Lygians dwell the Gothones, under the rule of a King; ...
    Immediately adjoining are the Rugians and Lemovians upon the coast of the ocean, ...
    Next occur the communities of the Suiones, situated in the ocean itself; and besides their strength in men and arms, very powerful at sea. ...

    Beyond the Suiones is another sea, one very heavy and almost void of agitation; and by it the whole globe is thought to be bounded and environed, ...
    Only thus far extend the limits of nature, if what fame says be true. Upon the right of the Suevian Sea the Aestyan nations reside, who use the same customs and attire with the Suevians; their language more resembles that of Britain. ...
    Upon the Suiones, border the people Sitones; and, agreeing with them in all other things, differ from them in one, that here the sovereignty is exercised by a woman. So notoriously do they degenerate not only from a state of liberty, but even below a state of bondage. Here end the territories of the Suevians.
    Last edited by Oswiu; Tuesday, June 6th, 2006 at 12:56 AM.

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