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    Hello,

    Just wondering if anyone can classify this Afghan Pashtun from Kandahar?

    He's about 5'11, 155lbs, jet black eyes & hair, has a very high-bridged, straight semitic nose, tiny lower face & is hyper-brachycephalic.

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    Thanks for your help;-)

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    I would say he's an Alpinized Dravidic based on the one small photo, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ancientsemite
    straight semitic nose
    What exactly is a "Semitic nose?" How about Semites with convex noses (the majority)? How is a Pashtoon (Eastern Iranian) a Semite? Explain yourself, Shmuely..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    What exactly is a "Semitic nose?" How about Semites with convex noses (the majority)? How is a Pashtoon (Eastern Iranian) a Semite? Explain yourself, Shmuely..

    Mazel tov!



    Hi, i've always thought of a "semitic nose" as being one where the bridge is extremely high with the tip curving down slightly. The wings are drawn up very slightly to expose the nostrils, Gulb'uddin Hekmatyar's, for example. Now there are various degrees of semitic type noses, some fully convex, as is seen in many Afghan Tajiks, & some almost perfectly straight. The thing is, i can always tell when i'm seeing something semitic about a face, whether it be the nose, eyes, head, etc.

    As far as the Afghans here go, the pashtuns, in particular, usually have a very semitic cast to their faces, so much so that you sometimes think your looking at something from the ancient Middle East. The Arab faces i've seen just do not have the power of some of these Pashtoons. The Kandahari Pashtuns here don't look the slightest bit European, but their features are sometimes more typically *caucasian* than many Euros, with deep-set eyes & stunningly high nasal roots.
    Now, i would assume that there were more than two stocks involved the the racial make-up of ancient Afghanistan, judging from the variety of faces i've seen. The dravidic element is obvious, especially in the south & east. There is also a strong semitic? element i've noticed, but mostly involving people of the southern belt of Afghanistan & W. Pakistan. This semitic element is not dolichocephalic, as many semitic populations are described as having, but is very meso & brachycephalic. However, thier faces aren't broad, but long & narrow. It's just that they also have short heads. This semitic element sometimes resembles that of the coastal Arabs of Oman & S. Yemen, with very dark skin. I haven't yet seen an Afghan i could call dolicho, not dravidic dolicho or nordic dolicho. Apinized, flat, wide, box-headed turkic types seem to be everywhere in Afghanistan & elsewhere in Central Asia.
    Also some dinaricism that i've seen. There are some mongolian types that are unclassifiable with europid measurements.
    Now, the last element does consist of a very light-skinned European type, probably descending from the ancient sycthian & parthian populations who also populated Persia & the steppelands. These people frequently have pinkish skin, light eyes & light hair, are mesocephalic, & sometimes approach slavic & other European types in appearance. Strangely it is often the turkic speaking northerners who have this appearance, & not the indo-european speaking Tajiks, Pashtun, etc.

    For the semitic element, i'd say that Hamid Karzai has it to a degree, but warlord Gulb'uddin Hekmatyar has much more of it. The late oppostion commander A. S. Massoud also had some kind of semitic element, with his sallow skin & acquiline nose. His son, however, looks seriously semitic.

    I am willing to say that i may likly be wrong, as i am not an anthropologist & have not majored in ethno-anthropometry.
    For all i know, what i'm calling semitic could be the result of a Scythian?/Parthian? & dravidic mixture? I have never read that the Arabs conquered the Pashtuns, & studies exists showing that Hg9, the semitic haplo marker, is low is Pakistani Pashtuns, with the assumption that the same is true of Pashtuns on the other side of the Durrand line. Tablets in Aramaic & Elamitic have been found in Kandahar & in Laghman, near Barak-e Barak, but these still do not prove that semitic populations roamed in these areas.


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    Semitic is a language group not a racial group.
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    I don't think there is a concrete Semite "race" exactly, either. The type Middle Eastern Arab and Jews belong to is very mixed- Europid, Arabid, Dravidic, Mongoloid, Negroid.

    But it's a reasonable assumption to make that it was Semitic people who carried the Arab-Armenoid traits into Iran and Afghanistan and northern Pakistan. I made a thread showing Turkic Central Asians along with Afghans. I think the Pashtoons are culturally very f*cked up, in that they would prefer raping young boys (it's even a sin to Satanists, for God's sake) rather than even looking at a woman. Very uncivilized people by all accounts.



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    http://act-intl.org/images/w-photos/...an/man_son.jpg
    http://www.internews.org/images/news...ghan_radio.jpg
    http://www.kargah.com/gallery1/
    http://home.trueafghans.com/
    http://www.afghansite.com/

    Here's an old one:

    http://www.mssc.edu/projectsouthasia.../AfghanMan.gif
    Source: F. M. Coleman, Typical Pictures of Indian Natives (Bombay: Times of India Office and Thacker and Co., 1902), 36.

    It's hard to look at extremely mixed people and pick apart where this trait is from, where that trait is from. They're closer to and more infused with Indic people than Arabs. Narrower root and broad nostrils could be from a variety of sources. Darker skin is from Indics. Uzbeks are Turanids so some of them are more European looking. Some Afghans who are lighter-skinned with greenish eyes are very handsome. The legendary "Afghan girl" from National Geographic was a pretty child who grew up to be ugly with such a low forehead. Alot of times it's just the shape of their noses which are peculiar and makes them look non-European. I don't know how extensive the Russian genetic imput was to Afghanistan, in Russia girls will help their boyfriends rape other girls.

    I only met one Afghan personally, dark brachycephalic and flat headed as you described. He was creepy looking and he smiled at me.

    Young Afghans sure like rap music and writing in ebonics. Pretty sad stuff.

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    Post Re: Brachycephalic Kandahar Pashtun to Classify

    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    I don't think there is a concrete Semite "race" exactly, either. The type Middle Eastern Arab and Jews belong to is very mixed- Europid, Arabid, Dravidic, Mongoloid, Negroid.

    But it's a reasonable assumption to make that it was Semitic people who carried the Arab-Armenoid traits into Iran and Afghanistan and northern Pakistan. I made a thread showing Turkic Central Asians along with Afghans. I think the Pashtoons are culturally very f*cked up, in that they would prefer raping young boys (it's even a sin to Satanists, for God's sake) rather than even looking at a woman. Very uncivilized people by all accounts.



    http://varleypix.com/img/gall/folio/FOLIO14.jpg
    http://www.phrusa.org/campaigns/imag...an_in_camp.jpg
    http://www.phrusa.org/campaigns/imag...an_and_boy.jpg
    http://www.phrusa.org/campaigns/imag.../camp_kids.jpg
    http://www.phrusa.org/campaigns/imag...s/two_kids.jpg
    http://www.floridatoday.com/gallerie...ul/06kabul.jpg
    http://www.floridatoday.com/gallerie...ul/07kabul.jpg
    http://www.floridatoday.com/gallerie...ul/03kabul.jpg
    http://act-intl.org/images/w-photos/...an/man_son.jpg
    http://www.internews.org/images/news...ghan_radio.jpg
    http://www.kargah.com/gallery1/
    http://home.trueafghans.com/
    http://www.afghansite.com/

    Here's an old one:

    http://www.mssc.edu/projectsouthasia.../AfghanMan.gif
    Source: F. M. Coleman, Typical Pictures of Indian Natives (Bombay: Times of India Office and Thacker and Co., 1902), 36.

    It's hard to look at extremely mixed people and pick apart where this trait is from, where that trait is from. They're closer to and more infused with Indic people than Arabs. Narrower root and broad nostrils could be from a variety of sources. Darker skin is from Indics. Uzbeks are Turanids so some of them are more European looking. Some Afghans who are lighter-skinned with greenish eyes are very handsome. The legendary "Afghan girl" from National Geographic was a pretty child who grew up to be ugly with such a low forehead. Alot of times it's just the shape of their noses which are peculiar and makes them look non-European. I don't know how extensive the Russian genetic imput was to Afghanistan, in Russia girls will help their boyfriends rape other girls.

    I only met one Afghan personally, dark brachycephalic and flat headed as you described. He was creepy looking and he smiled at me.

    Young Afghans sure like rap music and writing in ebonics. Pretty sad stuff.
    afghanistan is not the middle east, and there were no russian civilian settlements in afghanistan

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    Post Re: Brachycephalic Kandahar Pashtun to Classify

    Quote Originally Posted by Razmig
    afghanistan is not the middle east, and there were no russian civilian settlements in afghanistan
    Middle East also Mid·east

    An area comprising the countries of southwest Asia and northeast Africa. In the 20th century the region has been the continuing scene of political and economic turmoil.


    middle east

    n : the area around the eastern Mediterranean; from Turkey to North Africa and eastward to Iran; the site of such ancient civilizations as Phoenicia and Babylon and Egypt and the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity and Islam


    Af·ghan·i·stan

    A landlocked country of southwest-central Asia. Since ancient times the region has been crisscrossed by invaders, including Persians, Macedonians, Arabs, Turks, and Mongols. Afghan tribes united in the 18th century under a single leadership, but a fully independent state did not emerge until 1919. Kabul is the capital and the largest city. Population: 18,879,000.



    MENIC includes Afghanistan - http://inic.utexas.edu/menic/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordhammer
    Middle East also Mid·east

    An area comprising the countries of southwest Asia and northeast Africa. In the 20th century the region has been the continuing scene of political and economic turmoil.


    middle east

    n : the area around the eastern Mediterranean; from Turkey to North Africa and eastward to Iran; the site of such ancient civilizations as Phoenicia and Babylon and Egypt and the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity and Islam


    Af·ghan·i·stan

    A landlocked country of southwest-central Asia. Since ancient times the region has been crisscrossed by invaders, including Persians, Macedonians, Arabs, Turks, and Mongols. Afghan tribes united in the 18th century under a single leadership, but a fully independent state did not emerge until 1919. Kabul is the capital and the largest city. Population: 18,879,000.



    MENIC includes Afghanistan - http://inic.utexas.edu/menic/
    ive also seen kazakstan listed as europe. it is not
    you should read more carefully...central asia is NOT southwest asia...

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    Post Re: Brachycephalic Kandahar Pashtun to Classify

    The most brachycephal Europids in Afghanisthan are Turanids/Asian Alpinoids.

    The rest are mixed Europid/Mongolids.

    There is to differ between the Semitic language group and the people which primarily spread this language all over South West Asia and North Africa.

    This primary Semits are almost all Orientalid which Coon would call a Mediterranean subgroup, but I would call a subrace on their own.

    The most Pashtuns are in my opinion Orientalid and of the Aryan Nordindid type.

    Both of this types got a more narrow and more or less aquiline nose.

    This nose form is not just common for Orientalids (if you want Semits) but the most Nordindid Aryan and other types too.

    The typical Jewish or Semitic nose is not just aquiline and curving down, it has the form of a 6 in profile.
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