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    Re: Manifest Destiny

    Now, we are on the losing side, and rigfhtfully so in some ways.
    "Us" losing won't help anyone though, so why would it be right? Justice? Suffering and destruction can never be justice. (imo) One does not discipline children by destroying them.....


    However, as I said above, in order to fully grasp the real dimensions of the shitty situation we found outselves in, we need to step down the throne, observe and judge things realistically, and attribute part of the blame to ourselves (rather, our ancestors) as well.
    I can't see how blame could be constructive either. Injustices and great evils and stupid decisions were made.... but to assign blame is to prevent oneself from moving on. You know, "blame" makes people lazy and bitter. Better just to accept that these things occured and now we have to clean up the mess.

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    Re: Manifest Destiny

    Quote Originally Posted by cerebro
    I totally agree, thatīs why I think we have to be racialists and also elitists. Most members of the white race are trash.
    Being able yourself to realize that (and to be as harsh to say "most" rather than "many") means that you are utterly reasonable and realistic, contrary to the author of this article.

    The mere realization that "being white" alone does not possess any inherent value is the core of healthy racialist thinking.

    Being born "white" simply gives us the potential to strive for the improvement of our own racial condition. However, most whites of today chose to do otherwise. I don't think they deserve any pity or help. That is what I meant by saying that "the white man's biggest enemy is the white man hiomself".

    Yes. But now itīs too late to be sorry. They already hate us and want to invade our lands (they ARE doing that, actually) and kill us all.
    Yes, it is too late to be sorry. That is why we need to start thinking other than blaming.

    I am not sure though that their primary motive is to invade our countries and kill us.
    I think they are driven by the very survival instinct that you attribute to whites, and if their survival means invading our countries and killing us, they will do so. Same way we did to them

    Yes, but what are those "realistic, viable solutions"? I think Klassenīs ideas sound extremely cruel to our soft democratic weak-loverīs ears, but they are in fact much more realistic than any other ideas like negotiation or whatever: If you kill the menace thereīs no menace.... whatīs more realistic than that?
    That is a whole new discussion that we can get into.

    Many people have different ideas. I am not particularly inclined to follow a specific one, but I am open to any solution that would help us escape from that dualistic stereotype (either us or them) and motivate each race to preserve their own kind on a global scale, and to develop their own countries and economies so that they don't need to pillage on others.

    You see, even if we did decide to engage into racial war, we are bound to lose since we are vastly outnumbered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milesian
    So you admit that such belief is basically Talmudism applied to "whites"?


    The reason the Jews are so pernicious and destructive is because of these very same Talmudic supremacist beliefs which you are now espousing.
    It is something peculiar to the Jewish people and it is entirely a warped mindset of their own making.
    Such thinking has never been native to the European mind, it only really started seeping in during the last few centuries. There is certainly a Judaic influence at work there and it is exactly what has led to the slow decay of our societies.
    By adopting such a supremacist mindset, you are becoming the very thing that you allegedly despise.

    There is no need to exploit, undermine and destroy others.
    Preserve your own, cherish what is yours, look after your own people and culture. Or in the words of a very wise man -

    "The true soldier fights, not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him"

    The latter is nobility of spirit worthy of our enlightened people.
    The former is simply malevolent, destructive & chavuinistic Talmudism.
    Ok, I think the problem here is the next:

    A lot of white racialists people tend to think this way: "They jews are bad people, we donīt want to be like them." Well, the truth is that the "bad guys" are ruling the world while we, the good white men who loves everybody, are DYING.

    I donīt care if we use the same ways that jewish people use and I donīt care if I "By adopting such a supremacist mindset (become) the very thing that (I) allegedly despise." (before whose eyes? God?). I only care about survival.

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    Re: Manifest Destiny

    Quote Originally Posted by cerebro
    Believe me, to think that we are the "chosenites" really works, it works for the jewish people.
    It depends on what you mean by "works".
    Several prominent Jews themselves have candidly claimed that the Jewish people suffer from a collective mental illness.

    Their "success" is in attaining positions where they can destroy others.
    But in truth, they are little closer to preserving themselves than the rest of us. They too have fallen foul of their own insane ideologies. There are as many self-hating Jews as there are self-hating Gentiles.

    Talmudic Zionism in fact does not work for the Jews, as Anti-Zionist Jews will openly admit. As always, it benefits a few with certain vested interests. Eventually the Jews' stack of cards will tumble, and if we adhere to Jewish modes of thought ourselves then we will quickly find ourselves tumbling down with them.

    The antidote is to reject this way of thinking utterly, not to ape it and turn ourselves into the very affliction that plagues us.

    There is a part in The Last of the Mohicans which springs to mind here and seems very apt

    Hawkeye Magua would use the ways of Les Francais and the Yengeese

    Magua : The red man put down the bow and picked up the fire stick and became the best warrior in the forest.
    Yes. It is the only way

    Hawkeye Would the Huron make his Algonquin brothers foolish with brandy and steal his lands to sell them for gold to the white man? Would the Huron have greed for more land than a man can use? Would Huron kill tribes with disease? Would the Huron fool Seneca into taking all the animals of the forest for beads and brandy? But sell the fur to the white man for gold?
    Those are the ways of Yengeese and Les Francais masters. Are they the ways of Huron men? Or dogs?
    Magua's heart is twisted. He would make himself into what twisted him. A dog, become Master of Dogs. But are they Huron dogs? Magua's way is false. It is like the white sickness. It will bring sadness and shame
    Replace "Huron" with "European", and "White" with "Jew".
    Can you see the similarity of what you are proposing?

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    Re: Manifest Destiny

    I donīt care if we use the same ways that jewish people use and I donīt care if I "By adopting such a supremacist mindset (become) the very thing that (I) allegedly despise." (before whose eyes? God?). I only care about survival.
    I am in full agreement with Evola saying that "it is not the Jew itself as a racial entity that we are against, but Jewish mentality wherever it exists and manifests itself -whether in jews or non-jews" (not the exact words but that is the jist).

    You see, I still don't see what is there to justify our race, or any race for that matter, to be the "chosenites" and treat the whole world as their own back yard.

    I highly appreciate your concerns for preserving our race, but I feel that your approach is semantically problematic. Whatever we do to them, they'll do it on us. And as I said, should we engage in yet another race war (a concept which is fundamentally wrong in itself), we stand no chance as, as I said, we are vastly outnumbered, plus, the other races are practically as technologically advanced as we do. So it won't be a cowboys-indians sort of thing.

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    Re: Manifest Destiny

    Quote Originally Posted by Milesian
    There is a part in The Last of the Mohicans which springs to mind here and seems very apt

    Replace "Huron" with "European", and "White" with "Jew".
    Can you see the similarity of what you are proposing?
    It's so funny that I accidentally stumbled upon this hilarious clip just a few minutes ago

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    Re: Manifest Destiny

    Quote Originally Posted by cerebro
    Ok, I think the problem here is the next:

    A lot of white racialists people tend to think this way: "They jews are bad people, we donīt want to be like them." Well, the truth is that the "bad guys" are ruling the world while we, the good white men who loves everybody, are DYING.

    I donīt care if we use the same ways that jewish people use and I donīt care if I "By adopting such a supremacist mindset (become) the very thing that (I) allegedly despise." (before whose eyes? God?). I only care about survival.
    If you care for nothing but survival and you think only the Jews will survive then your solution is simple. Convert to Judaism and you will have your wish

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blood_Axis
    Being able yourself to realize that (and to be as harsh to say "most" rather than "many") means that you are utterly reasonable and realistic, contrary to the author of this article.
    In the first place, I clear that I do not totally agree with Klassen ideas.

    In the second place he also does speak about this "stupidity" of the white masses we are talking about, like when he talks about christianity, the "holocaust" lie, or the white man's criminal negligence in protecting the survival of his own kind.

    I think they are driven by the very survival instinct that you attribute to whites, and if their survival means invading our countries and killing us, they will do so. Same way we did to them
    Exactly, so youīre giving the reason to Klassen in this way.

    You see, even if we did decide to engage into racial war, we are bound to lose since we are vastly outnumbered.
    Thatīs not completely true, remember the creativity and intelligence of the white man, thatīs more important than anything: quality vs. number.

    But itīs true that we should start having more children and try to stop the growing numbers of the other races.

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    Re: Manifest Destiny

    Quote Originally Posted by cerebro
    Thatīs not completely true, remember the creativity and intelligence of the white man, thatīs more important than anything: quality vs. number.
    Quality...

    Hmm..I believe that you now contradict yourself since only a few minutes ago you said that "Most members of the white race are trash."

    Hence, the quality you are referring to exists only in a very small sample of the white race, and it is clearly not enough to outsmart all the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milesian
    It depends on what you mean by "works".
    Several prominent Jews themselves have candidly claimed that the Jewish people suffer from a collective mental illness.

    Their "success" is in attaining positions where they can destroy others.
    But in truth, they are little closer to preserving themselves than the rest of us. They too have fallen foul of their own insane ideologies. There are as many self-hating Jews as there are self-hating Gentiles.

    Talmudic Zionism in fact does not work for the Jews, as Anti-Zionist Jews will openly admit. As always, it benefits a few with certain vested interests. Eventually the Jews' stack of cards will tumble, and if we adhere to Jewish modes of thought ourselves then we will quickly find ourselves tumbling down with them.
    Well... consider the source, all of that is based on jewish sources, letīs just forget about words and take a look at the facts.

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