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    Post A Short History of Prussia

    German Preussen, Polish Prusy

    In European history, any of certain areas of eastern and central Europe, respectively (1) the land of the Prussians on the southeastern coast of the Baltic Sea, which came under Polish and German rule in the Middle Ages; (2) the kingdom ruled from 1701 by the German Hohenzollern dynasty, including Prussia and Brandenburg, with Berlin as its capital, which seized much of northern Germany and western Poland in the 18th and 19th centuries and united Germany under its leadership in 1871; and (3) the Land (state) created after the fall of the Hohenzollerns in 1918, which included most of their former kingdom and which was abolished by the Allies in 1947 as part of the political reorganization of Germany after its defeat in World War II.

    For the rest of the short history of Prussia, see http://www.hfac.uh.edu/gbrown/philos...a/Prussia.html

    East Baltic

    Etymology:

    The lands on the eastern shore of the Baltic Sea form the traditional home of the East Baltic racial type. This name, coined by Nordenstreng, has also been applied (by K. E. Schreiner, among others), mistakingly, to the totality of blond brachycephals in northern Europe.
    Other names:
    - Homo arcticus fennicus (Sergi)
    - Osteuropid (von Eickstedt; includes the Neo-Danubian type)
    - Subnordic (Deniker; includes the Neo-Danubian type)

    Origin:
    Stabilized but variable northeast periphery blend of Borreby and/or Fälish with Neo-Danubian and/or Ladogan racial type.

    Description:
    East Baltics are large-headed, blond sub-brachycephals (c.i. 80-83) of a composite type, among which may frequently be found individuals of strong Nordic, Ladogan, and Borreby affiliation. Although the East Baltic is a highly variable racial type, it is distinguished from other local types by an often quite easily recognizable phenotype.
    East Baltics are large-bodied compared to their neighbors the Neo-Danubians, but they otherwise share a number of typically Ladogan traits with the latter: the round-tipped and snub nose, for which the East Baltic in particular has been noted; the often square-shaped face; the steep forehead; the rounded cranial vault. In addition to these features, East Baltics are commonly large- and broad-faced and wide-jawed, with laterally prominent malars, a Lappish-like Ladogan speciality which is only moderately developed in the Neo-Danubian type.
    With regards to pigmentation, the East Baltic type as a whole is blonder than any typically Scandinavian population, and the combination of ash-blond hair and gray eyes seems to be a local specialty, one which is shared with the Neo-Danubians and with many relatively unmixed Ladogans. There exists, however, among the East Baltics a notable brunet faction not to be disregarded.

    http://www.nordish.com/

    A typical East Prussian female:


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    which seized much of northern Germany and western Poland in the 18th and 19th centuries
    Ridiculous! That was and always willbe GERMAN LAND.
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    Post Re: A Short history of Prussia

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Brandt
    Ridiculous! That was and always willbe GERMAN LAND.
    Ridiculous! That was and always willbe Slavs LAND!

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    Post Re: A Short history of Prussia

    Quote Originally Posted by Slavic
    Ridiculous! That was and always willbe Slavs LAND!
    Racja Bracie!

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    Post Re: A Short history of Prussia

    Prußland Uber Alles Lol !!!

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    Post Re: A Short history of Prussia

    Quote Originally Posted by NewHistory

    That is Prussia, and it is Germany. There is nothing Polish. Poland stole Germany the East and Middle Parts of Germany after WW1 und WW2. They are only thieves and robbed the whole country. And if you would habe been once there, you know the most people left are polish and look (after my opinion) terrible. There are few Germans left.

    Prussia was a great country, the greatest part of German developing history.
    But for writting about Prussia you do a terrible job.

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    As you can (hopefully) tell from these maps, already in the year 900 Slavs controlled large territory beyond the Odra/Oder. Slavic presence has always been significant, even today in modern-day Germany, after 1000 years of Germanization.

    Ever hear of the Partitions of Poland? Read about it and tell me if you don't think that was robbery. Look at map 1800.

    Also, just from looking at the maps, who seems to have been the aggressor historically?

    The Teutonic knights were also 'invited' into Poland, and that land was never originally theirs.
    Last edited by bocian; Saturday, May 22nd, 2004 at 05:27 AM.

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    Post Re: A Short history of Prussia

    Quote Originally Posted by NewHistory
    Prussians build up the area, what you call Polen today, what Germans call
    "Posen, Pommern, Schlesien, Böhmen"

    Sure, Germans came and built the whole country . Actually Germans did build a lot in Western Poland, only because they were in control of those areas, until end of WW2. There are still Churches built by Poles dating from a 1000 yrs ago, standing in Wroclaw.

    Quote Originally Posted by NewHistory
    Germans lived there, they owned the country and they build churched, streets and schools. Without Prussians and the German people who moved their, it would
    be the same as today: Full of lazy people and
    "Haus und Hof verkommen" = nobody cares about anything anymore.
    Full of lazy people? Care to stop these insults? Are you referring to the same lazy people that built Krakow, University there being founded in 1364, (before any German one) Warsaw and the rest of Poland?

    Quote Originally Posted by NewHistory
    Fredric the Great send foreign handworkes like the "hugenotten" to East Prussia, to make something out of it.
    Foreign workers came from Poland and played a decisive role in the industrialisation of Kingdom Prussia in the 19th century. German's using foreign workers is well known and documented.

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    Post Re: A Short history of Prussia

    Quote Originally Posted by NewHistory
    What years does this map represent?

    Quote Originally Posted by NewHistory
    The pink and red are the areas where the German language was spoken and were mostly Germans lived. If you go to the right, you see that many parts of the present Poland are German. German was earlier way more east, and is only the last 60 years so close in to middle Europe.

    Yes Germany used to be way more East, as Poland used to be way more West.Poland's modern day borders resemble those of 1000 years ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by NewHistory
    So, it we speak about these areas, I see them as German parts. If we speak about Poland, we have to take the are where is written Poland
    I don't think this map is very accurate. Maybe if showing speakers of a certain language, but it does not take into consideration Ethnicity or bilingualism.

    Quote Originally Posted by NewHistory
    I am sorry, I did not want to insult you in any way. Just the picture of the countryside today, let me feel unconfortable and angry, because it does not look the way, as it did under German influence.
    What's wrong with the countryside today?

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    Post Re: A Short history of Prussia

    Quote Originally Posted by NewHistory
    And why do you take borders 1000 years ago? Then the Indians can have America back. The Negros could have the whole world, or then even Jews could have a right on Palestine.
    You can not pick any date, which was the best time for you. You have to go after history and the people who live in the area.
    Poles didn't just get up and decide to "annex" the land. Poland lost more land than they gained after WW2. Besides, they didn't draw up the 'new' Europe.

    You think it was easy for the millions of Poles to relocate after the war from newly annexed Soviet land? Germans weren't the only misplaced people.

    Why do I want to take back the borders 1000 years? Why do you want to take the borders back 60, 100 or 200 years? The simple fact of the matter is that you claimed that Poles stole something from Germans, which is false.
    If you want, you can call it 'reclaiming' what was rightfully theirs.

    You should thank the parties which decided the fate of Europe after the war, they weren't Poles.

    The greatest crime in the history of Europe was the Partitioning of Poland, which German speaking people played no small part in. Why don't you call that theft? What about the expansionism of the Teutonic Knights? Wasn't that theft?

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    Anyone can have dreams, it's reality that matters.
    I sure hope Poles will have the strength and wisdom to keep their lands.

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