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    March 1942 issue of "Volk und Rasse" (People and Race), which shows Gypsies from East Prussia.

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    Gypsies seem to look the 'same' everywhere.
    These look just like gypsies from Serbia.

    What I meant by 'same' is that there is perhaps 4 or 5 types of gypsies, which are all 'gypsy' but have major differences inbetween.

    Maybe this is because they are an 'unstable' race of people.

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    Top right and bottom left look like native indians (the chug kind, not the kind from india).

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    Gypsies from France look different, a lot of whom look like the average French, even though a sizeable minority keep the typical Indic features.
    " Je ne sais si Dieu a de la haine ou de l'amour pour les Anglais, mais ce que je sais, c'est qu'ils seront tous boutés hors de France, sauf ceux qui y périront..." Sainte Jeanne D'arc

    "I don't know whether God has hate or love towards the English, but what I do know is that all of them will be deportated out of France, excepted those who'll perish here." Saint Joan of Arc.


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    How are the Roma treating you, volks? Have you a story about them yet?

    I was in Budapest for a few hours and thought because I'm foreign they would try to scam me, but I had a native to protect me from their schemes. I saw a family of gypsies with coal black skin. But while I can't say I had any experiences with them while in Hungary, a few years ago one local Albanian gypsy tried to shoplift stuff while I worked in a store.

    My boyfriend's brother was very recently attacked by a gang of them and now he's leaving his school because of it (there are just too many gypsies in his school). It was racially motivated, because his brother is white and has very platinum-blond hair. They tend to single out the whitest person they can find, like black guys do. They started fights with my boyfriend and one of his female friends before, they'll attack girls. Gypsies are the evil scum of the earth as far as I'm concerned.

    Nice family-


    a couple of whites:


    Look at the evil look on that one child's face, I think they have serious psychological issues, as well as problems with cleanliness, taking care of their children (they sometimes find a dead baby in an abandoned gypsy house), staying out of jail (70% of Hungarian prisoners are gypsy). None of them belong in Europe, though, they should all go back to India. It's not fair to be forced to put up with their bullshit.

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    Jó napot!

    I do not know about evil or scum. We must study the socio-economic situation too. I do not know any Roma personally. I do not move around in the neighbourhoods where the majority are Roma.

    There is a direct relation between the living standard of an area and how many Romani reside there. It is in the same way how my uncle in California told me how the prices go down when Mexicans start to move in. He told me that it is not a matter of who is good or bad, one Mexican family is too many. That is just the way the market react. I guess that European-Americans start to move out then.

    The nicest districts (kerületen) in Budapest are I, II, XI, XII and V (on the Pest side, near the Danube/Duna). VI is also good, but perhaps too central and the Roma can find their way there.

    I am not in a neighbourhood with many Roma people. We call them cigány (zigenare in Sweden) in magyarul. I do not have many stories, as I do not see much of them. You just sometimes see them in the street when you are going to another neighbourhood, or when Roma prostitutes ask you for things in the street.

    It is fine when you are alone. However, I was a bit scared when I was with my girlfriend. I took her to classy, safe places, so I would not need to think about that. I have a Hungarian friend that told me how they can grab or pinch the behind of your girlfriend etc. Maybe they want to start a fight. I also asked him if he thinks that they are discriminated. He said that they discriminate themselves, and they are not victims, rather that they victimise themselves. This person who told me that is far from racist.

    Most of them have nothing to do. Some of them have a body odour when you go too close. So better hygien is needed. They just stand in a street corner and stare at you when you pass by. I do not look in their eyes. I am not looking for a fight.

    I have seen that the police often stop Roma men. They just ask for an ID card. They do stop other dodgy looking characters or foreigners (e.g. Africans, if they are not with Europeans, one of them told me that, or other non-Europeans who do not look like tourists). I am surprised of how many Western Africans (they like fair Europeans) and Chinese there are here. I wonder why they came here. Some came from Hong Kong after it became Chinese. I have never seen a Negrid man in Hungary without a Europid woman. I saw a huge Negrid in the metro the other day. He was probably in his late 30's and he was talking with two Hungarian girls whom were not more than 18-19. That was a strange sight. I could not believe what I saw, so I had to look several times. The girls seemed to not mind it at all. They smiled back and were flirtatious. I wonder what he wanted from them.

    The Roma can do strange things. Two weeks ago I saw a Roma whom by chance had come to the end of my steet and a young Hungarian man had this big gas cylinder. The Roma man (probably in his early 40's) took it without him asking for help and then carried the very heavy cylinder . He had this strange smile on his face and he looked totally psychotic. We both looked shocked and the Hungarian looked at me and shaked his head. We were scared that he would throw it on us. I stayed a bit in case he will attack the Hungarian man. Anyway, I was in a hurry so I did not see what happend later. I hope that they are fine.

    You can sometimes notice that they are not popular. I was one day in the tram and a middle-aged Hungarian woman changed her seat because a young Roma woman sat infront of her. It was very obvious, as she also looked at her with disgust.

    Many Roma drop out of school and the girls can even marry when they are only in their mid-teens. I told my Hungarian friend that it should not be a problem with the Roma and so forth. He warned me that I should be really careful and drop the egalitarian Swedish mindset when I am around them. Maybe the Hungarians are more racist (that has not been my experience though) or it is just that they are closer to these problems. Most Roma in Sweden are Finnish. The women wear big skirts. Some Swedes think that they smuggle stolen goods out of the shop under their long skirts. Swedish Supreme Court rules supermarket ban on Romani woman discriminatory

    There is also a poor, probably homeless Roma man that I usually see whom stand in the middle of the street and piss just in the middle of the bright day. He does not even need to be drunk. It is amazing.

    The Roma in Scandinavia are, on average, lighter than e.g. Romanian Roma. I have seen Hungarian Roma with light (not blue) eyes and hair which is a bit blondish (but the texture is still thick, and it is neither ashen or golden series, rather some muddy colour, perhaps even from the sun exposure) Roma workers. Maybe it is climatic that the ones in Northern Europe are a bit lighter. Some are very dark though. I know what you mean. I read somewhere that Nordenstreng said that Hungarians refer to white and black gypsies. White would be those whom mixed with Europid (then I mean not from Europids in Northern India) Hungarians.

    It is definitely a cultural clash and the Roma people are not seen as ethnic Hungarians (which is nowadays a mix of relatives of Árpád's tribe, Cumanians, Jazygians, and Pechenegs, Ugric, Turkic, Slavic and Germanic elements are also present). There are also many Jews in Budapest, especially in district VII where the old Jewish neighbourhoods, and a very big synagogue is located.

    The Roma live mostly in district VII on the Pest (east of the Danube river) side. Parents do not want their children to go in the same school as them. I occasionally see the Roma beggar with a young child. That is of course heartbreaking. Nevertheless, I am not a fool either. She might go to her husband and live a relatively normal life in the evening.

    As you probably know, Hungary was once much bigger and the origin of my cleaning lady is also a remnant of the past, ethnic Hungarian from Northern Romania. She is a Transylvanian Hungarian, like many who do such jobs, and they earn much less than the average Hungarian, not to speak about Western Europeans. 6 hour work is around 4000 Forint (around 17 USD).

    I have heard that the Roma people are more discriminated in the Czech Republic and Slovakia. We shall see what happens when Hungary will enter the European Union in the spring of 2004. Maybe leftist (or socialist) governments like the one in Sweden will put some pressure on the new Eastern European EU countries.

    It is thought that 5-6 % are Roma. But the real figure is unknown, as they all do not have documents and they breed a lot! Around 70 % are unemployed. Some are musicians at restaurants (classy ones too) or are common workers. Fortune telling is probably an old Roma occupation as well.

    The issue about discrimination is hard to deal with when all societies favour the richest and most educated. How can a Roma with dirty clothes expect to not be refused from a cafe or club when other persons are also refused for the same reason. It is not always a racial issue. There are misconceptions and prejudices about many people. I shall try to learn more about them.

    Roma in Hungary

    Romani Customs


    Attached photo is of Ferenc Snétburger, Hungarian Gypsy guitar player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    How are the Roma treating you, volks? Have you a story about them yet?

    I was in Budapest for a few hours and thought because I'm foreign they would try to scam me, but I had a native to protect me from their schemes. I saw a family of gypsies with coal black skin. But while I can't say I had any experiences with them while in Hungary, a few years ago one local Albanian gypsy tried to shoplift stuff while I worked in a store.

    My boyfriend's brother was very recently attacked by a gang of them and now he's leaving his school because of it (there are just too many gypsies in his school). It was racially motivated, because his brother is white and has very platinum-blond hair. They tend to single out the whitest person they can find, like black guys do. They started fights with my boyfriend and one of his female friends before, they'll attack girls. Gypsies are the evil scum of the earth as far as I'm concerned.
    Last edited by Glenlivet; Wednesday, November 5th, 2003 at 05:11 PM.

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    I did not see many blacks, 2 in Békés megye and they both seemed scared to be there, I was surprised to see any at all in such a remote corner of a small Central European country. The dentist in Mezőberény is an African with a Hungarian wife and some ill-behaved mulatto children. I know Budapest is like all major cities in Europe, obvious foreigners are smart to stay in that area as they would not be welcome in the countryside. The mentality among students there is probably similar to in America, a lot of them are very apologetic to non-whites and want to love them. I met a Hungarian guy who was very attracted to black girls though I don't think he met one yet. Maybe meeting with black girls will change his mind about that attraction.

    As it was explained to me, the distinction between different types of gypsies was in their behavior. It may be a phraseology only native to the Southeast, but the unemployed and lazy gypsies who are criminal are called Olah cigányok (Romanian gypsy) and those who are employed as professional musicians sometimes called fehér cigányok, because their behavior is more like that of whites. So it's not so much a statement of their racial acceptability but their social acceptability and lifestyle. Some of the entertainers playing so-called cigányzene are ethnic Hungarians (in that case it's sometimes called magyar nóta) and lighter skinned gypsies, I can't remember the names of the bands.



    A good history of cigányzene.

    Egészségére!

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