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    Hang in There: The 25-Year Wait for Immortality

    If you can, congratulations: immortality will be yours:

    http://beta.news.yahoo.com/s/space/hangintherethe25yearwaitforimmortality


    Humans 'Will Live To Age Of 150'

    BBC News, 10-22-4

    Some human beings alive today will live to the age of 150, a prominent researcher has claimed. Steven Austad, of the University Of Texas Health Science Center, told BBC World Service's Discovery programme that life span for a human being may be much longer than most people have considered possible.


    And he said that he was virtually certain some children alive now would live to the year 2150. "The evolutionary picture of the human being is quite an interesting one, because what we've managed to do is create an environment for ourselves that is much safer than anything we've lived in before," he explained. "So even in the absence of medical advances, with just evolutionary change, in the foreseeable future one would expect humans to age at a slower and slower and slower rate."


    Life expectancy

    In the industrialised world, more and more people are living even into their 90s and 100s - and there is no sign yet of the trend levelling off. It is this that is causing, for example, fears of pension crises in many Western countries. But it is also evident than in some pre-industrial societies around the globe today, there are people who are surviving into their 70s and 80s, despite a lack of, for example, readily available medicines.

    Dr Austad's prediction relates in part to research designed to understand how long human beings would actually live for if left in the natural world. Jim Carey, a biodemographer from the University of California at Davis, analysed the relative body and brain sizes of a range of mammals and found that on our own, it would be likely we would die at between 30 and 40 years old.

    The fact that we do not is down to two factors: our brain size and our sociality - the ability to specialise and act together. Dr Carey explained that the brain, being the instrument of social behaviour, is the key. "We would estimate that humans would live for 30-40 years just based on size," he said. "But sociality - and more specifically brain size - comes into this, and brain size and sociality are also related. So when you factor in the brain size on this, then you get an estimate of 70-90 years for the human life span."
    Winning bet

    Dr Carey explained that in the natural world, it has been observed that solitary wasps have a life span of 10 days to two weeks - but advanced, social wasps can live for two to three years. In other advanced social groups of insects, such as termites and ants, the Queens can live for two or three decades. "Once you have helpers, plus a nest, the mortality conditions and risks are a bit different," he added. "The nest provides protection, but also with helpers, you evolve defensive behaviour. You start specialising so that the mother can be reproductive."

    Similarly, lions, which live in social groups, live longer than tigers, which are essentially solitary. And there is very little evidence of our nomadic human ancestors living into their 40s or 50s. "We are left with the idea of explaining why we humans live much longer than we should for our body size," Dr Austad said. "One reasonable guess about why that may be true is that we live in these complex groups that provide us some protection that we wouldn't have if we were out there on our own."

    Meanwhile, he added that he was so certain that someone alive today will still be alive in 2150, he had placed a bet on it with a friend."It's a bet that I feel I'm so overwhelmingly likely to win, I feel like I've stolen the money from him."


    Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3761310.stm


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    Immortality seems far fetched, but it may be possible to extend life by up to 30% by eating 30% less calories, at least it has been shown to work in mice, rats and dogs.
    The theory goes, that you slow your metabolism down by consumming only 1500-1800 calories a day and you live longer because you don't ware yourself out.

    The diet has several side-effects however, including lowered body temperature making it nesessary to sometimes ware gloves indoors, lowered libido, less energy generally and regular severe hunger pangs.

    http://www.calorierestriction.org/
    Close observation may result in feelings of horror, wonder and awe at world you find yourself inhabiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horned God
    The diet has several side-effects however, including lowered body temperature making it nesessary to sometimes ware gloves indoors, lowered libido, less energy generally and regular severe hunger pangs.
    I'd rather live a short life where I can actually do things, that live for 500yrs sitting in a chair inside a plastic bubble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcturus
    I'd rather live a short life where I can actually do things, that live for 500yrs sitting in a chair inside a plastic bubble.
    To live for 500 years through calorie restriction you'd need to be able to survive on nothing but a handful of ricecrispies a week. 150 is your maximum.

    That might sound like a joke but some CR adherents count peanuts out of pill bottles to make sure they are getting the right amount of protein. No more no less. :speechles
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    Here's an entire forum for people who plan to live forever:

    http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?s=&act=SC&c=9

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    My relatives, traditionally, live between 95 - 110 years of age. I myself have astonishingly low blood pressure, for even my family, and will likely live longer. This idea of immortality is interesting though.

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    Where are your longest lived relations from, if you don't mind me asking?
    Close observation may result in feelings of horror, wonder and awe at world you find yourself inhabiting.

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    My main motivation comes from the thought of how many lives will be saved.
    Great. Starving Africans? Does anybody else have one of the most serious problems that is facing us in this time - overpopulation - in mind? We will suffocate everything that is healthy and good if we continue on this path.

    For example, when we take a holiday in Africa or Southeast Asia or whatever, we get a shot to make sure that we don't get malaria. And that's all we have to do, and when we get there we can eat Mc Donald's as much as one likes.
    Yeah, sounds fantastic. That's the kind of world in which I want to live. Taking a holiday in Africa and stuffing my face with poisonous junk.

    It's not really a matter of living forever, it's just a matter of not wanting to die.
    We have seriously lost sight of our essence. Everyone is so afraid. This is the most depressing article that I have read in a long time, but I guess I've been expecting this breakthrough for awhile.

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    I cannot grasp why immortality has always been something that people have strived to attain... We die for a reason, it is what is naturally supposed to occur. I can understand how some would have a fear of dying, as I myself have felt uneasy and worried about death, but devoting time and effort to prolong one's existence beyond the natural average is completely ridiculous, and useless, IMO.

    As much valuable, precious time as these immortality seekers are investing, (wasting), they could be projecting their efforts toward making their life in the present as best as it can possibly be. It is important to live in the here, the now, because who we are at this very moment only lasts for a short time... In an instant, all that we are is gone; left to fade away into obscurity and if we are lucky, into a memory.

    I don't want to live forever... I don't see the use of such a phantasmic quest. I want to be young while I'm young, start a family when the time comes, grow old with dignity and grace and die when my body say's it's time to go.

    Chasing after something that will never, ever be realized will be a lonely, disappointing and fruitless venture... We are only here for a short while, a blink of an eye. Let it not be in vain.
    "Nature! We are surrounded and embraced by her:
    powerless to separate ourselves from her, and powerless to penetrate beyond her.

    Without asking, or warning, she snatches us up into her circling dance, and whirls us on until we are tired, and drop from her arms." - Goethe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonja
    Great. Starving Africans? Does anybody else have one of the most serious problems that is facing us in this time - overpopulation - in mind? We will suffocate everything that is healthy and good if we continue on this path.
    .
    I agree with alot of your sentiment on this, but I must point out that over-popuation is not much of a threat in the developed world any longer, the reverse is probably true.
    I don't think the drug companies are going to be giving away expensive life-extention drugs free to the third world when, (and it is when, not if) they are invented.
    I supose anyone who wanted to live for hundreds of years would have to agree to be sterilised or else the popuation of Europe would, after several decades, begin to grow exponentially again.

    But I agree that concept of immortlity has something vaguely immoral about it, though I can't put my finger on what it is, maybe it is the virtual prevention of any further generations from being born, that I find wrong.
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