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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    Imperialism and globalism go hand in hand.
    Maybe so, but that's not really my point. Love it or hate it, the British Empire was the pinnacle of Anglo-Saxon hegemony in the world even though the population of the empire was generally not Anglo-Saxon (Canada, Australia, and New Zealand being obvious exceptions).

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    Canada, Australia and New Zealand ought to be the only members of the Commonwealth, unless America can join by relinquishing designs for Latin America and become the center of the Commonwealth. If America kicked out California and other former Hispanic colonies, the ethno-linguistic focus of the land would be restored to a purer Anglocentrism.
    I think you're overestimating America. America is not demographically Anglo-Saxon. That's true even if counting only the white population of America. An Anglo-Saxon Commonwealth led by America would immediately lose its Anglo-Saxon character.

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    It has pretty much lost that already.

    Americans, for the most part, do not identify with their European roots no matter the country. They just consider themselves 'Americans' now.

    Still, there are pockets of those who remember the Old Country(s) in ethnic neighborhoods and small towns across the US.
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    American English aren't worthless for not having the Crown, since Canada and New Zealand have the Crown and are not stellar examples of Englishness. In fact, the Stewart Crown of United Britain makes the UK a depreciated version of the free and independent England that the colonists believed in before King James used our Geneva Bible for toilet paper and rewrote it to suit his demigod fantasy on the Throne. Olde English is best found in New England.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Endgame View Post
    Maybe so, but that's not really my point. Love it or hate it, the British Empire was the pinnacle of Anglo-Saxon hegemony in the world even though the population of the empire was generally not Anglo-Saxon (Canada, Australia, and New Zealand being obvious exceptions).



    I think you're overestimating America. America is not demographically Anglo-Saxon. That's true even if counting only the white population of America. An Anglo-Saxon Commonwealth led by America would immediately lose its Anglo-Saxon character.
    Imperialism leads to globalism and mass immigration, so this explains the problems everywhere. Canada is hampered by French intransigence, along with its Toryism of Highland Scottish origin. Together, Quebec and Nova Scotia are Anglophobic and this explains their anti-American jingoism, since America's foundations come from the Tudors (for Virginia) Cromwell (for New England) and the Glorious Revolution (for New York's Orangists) as well as the Swedish heritage in which Gustav II Adolf is celebrated for freedoms secured in the Thirty Years' War among Vasa Order members. Even Irish have roots in Maryland, from the relationship with England preceding the Ulster plantations. If Mexicans got Texas and the Southwest, Italians got Louisiana and Florida, Blacks were deported to Liberia and Red Indians to Alaska, Germans combined with Irish would serve as extensions of the English and Lowland Scots.

    New Zealand is officially bilingual with the Polynesian Maori. Australia is the only one to not take another group identity and make it equal to English, Germanic (as in America) or not (as in Canada and New Zealand). Ireland is of course, bilingual with Gaelic, whereas South Africa and Zimbabwe are the only truly lost causes.

    Anyway, the "Commonwealth" is a Johnny-come-lately approximation of American aspirations, of devolved government, just keeping the Williamite settlement instead of the Cromwellian one that is America's. Two wars against Mexicans and Spaniards, whilst marching alongside Britain in WWI and WWII as Anglo-Saxons instead of just German satellite states, really has been sealed by the Windsorian Abdication with one of our socialite women out of Baltimore and the DC area. The Special Relationship is real. Churchill himself was the son of a NYC socialite mother and Blenheim Palace scion.

    The Confederacy was our own Rhodesia. The Kingdom of Hawaii was our Empire of India. All the Princely States are equaled by Indian reservations. Clear parallels exist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Rentz View Post
    It has pretty much lost that already.

    Americans, for the most part, do not identify with their European roots no matter the country. They just consider themselves 'Americans' now.

    Still, there are pockets of those who remember the Old Country(s) in ethnic neighborhoods and small towns across the US.
    I identify as American on the census. My home state was a colony of England, hence, American English... although my paternal line came in the last century, for I cannot go around identifying with Britain over America, to be rude toward fellow English my forefathers chose to move in with and intermarry. My maternal grandmother's Virginian family has no post-76 ancestors from other countries and it's her side of the family that my paternal grandfather's already related to by an incestual marriage of cousins in Yorkshire and London, whereas my paternal grandmother's and maternal grandfather's families are related Yankee New Englanders with equal rates of Irish and Canadians admixed.

    I'm evidence of the Anglosphere in action, LOL or what is the result of two British Americans of English extraction getting together...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    American English aren't worthless for not having the Crown . . ..
    No. I didn't say that, i.e., I didn't say anything about the value of the crown or Americans' view of it. I said that America isn't Anglo-Saxon. There are tens of millions of whites in America who are either ethnically-mixed or who have no (or only trace amounts of) Anglo-Saxon ancestry. Additionally, the majority of the Americans who are Anglo-Saxon have so lost their awareness of and interest in their ethnic origins that they now lamely call their ethnicity "American", as Herr Rentz has pointed out above.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    Olde English is best found in New England.
    How could New England still be English after generations of non-English immigration?

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    [QUOTE=The Endgame;1233959]
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    American English aren't worthless for not having the Crown . . ..[.quote]

    No. I didn't say that, i.e., I didn't say anything about the value of the crown or Americans' view of it. I said that America isn't Anglo-Saxon. There are tens of millions of whites in America who are either ethnically-mixed or who have no (or only trace amounts of) Anglo-Saxon ancestry. Additionally, the majority of the Americans who are Anglo-Saxon have so lost their awareness of and interest in their ethnic origins that they now lamely call their ethnicity "American", as Herr Rentz has pointed out above.



    How could New England still be English after generations of non-English immigration?
    You fail to see that self-reported ancestries only count non-British elements, unless they themselves are British after the Revolution. Hence, those who are Americans of English origin in the colonial period may identify with German ancestors who came off the boat in the 19th century, as a means of differentiation from the normal Anglo-Saxon heritage shared by those who otherwise identify as Irish when they damn well know and don't admit their English background because of the Catholic Church agenda insisting on raising children in Rome and not Protestantism associated with Englishness. Those who just write American in the census are chiefly non-admixed Anglo-Saxons since the Revolution. Italians, Mexicans and Blacks may have wide variations of ancestry, but none are considered Anglo-Saxon, even if some amongst them actually do have this ancestry. It can be argued that Blacks are off-White Anglo-Saxon Protestants by African miscegenation and no pure Negroid population exists, no different than all the Indian hybrids on the reservation. Overall, you underestimate the Anglo-Saxon heritage of the Germanic and Celtic majority of the People, whilst transposing the overestimated blood quantum for non-WASP populations in our place, which is pretty Anglophobic. Count yourself in the legions who otherwise claim English are either Celts or even Basques. It's you who don't value the American English identity, just the British English one. I'm sure you prefer the Oxford Dictionary over the Merriam-Webster version, as if Noah Webster, kinsman of Whig Daniel Webster, wasn't proud enough to labor for its completion. Good for you!

    I'm living proof that a few Ulstermen and Munstermen, a few Angevins and Poitevins, don't replace Anglocentrism. All of those are assimilated, as progressively becoming more English down the funnel. The same happened earlier when I go back in my family tree before the Revolution to find Dutch and German ancestors whose own ancestors were English and Scottish. All the names are gone with each successive generation and I only ever attended Protestant churches (Anglican, Methodist, Nazarene, Pentecostal, Baptist), speaking only English growing up. To me, Ireland and Canada are but provincial varieties of the Anglo-Saxon race, comparable to Manx and Channel Islanders. I was raised with British Empire awareness in the historiography passed down by my tea-drinking great-grandparents and the American experience in particular having a root in the Yankee colonies (I've gone to living history museums like Old Sturbridge Village), so my identitarianism is absolutely Anglophile. I'm descended from the founders of Providence RI where I was born and raised. The idea that America is spiraling out of control is a myth, except that there are indeed recalcitrant foreigners who insist on voting Democrat to thwart my family's place in New England and overthrow WASP self-government in our own country. Lincoln, my kinsman, stated a belief in a government of the People, by the People and for the People. This People is the WASP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    You fail to see that self-reported ancestries only count non-British elements, unless they themselves are British after the Revolution.
    Actually, I'm aware of that tendency, which only further strengthens my point about the almost complete lack of Anglo-Saxon (or English, or British) identity in America. Americans who are 7/8 British and 1/8 something else are likely to be much prouder of the 1/8 something else than of the British portion. At any rate, I don't know what else to say to someone who refuses to acknowledge the obvious shift in the white population of America during the 19th and 20th centuries from Anglo-Saxon to non-Anglo-Saxon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    Those who just write American in the census are chiefly non-admixed Anglo-Saxons since the Revolution.
    Again, I'm aware. This is mainly something that happens in the South, which I've elsewhere said is Anglo-Saxon even today. The immigrant-descended people of the West, Midwest, and Northeast are more likely to be "hyphenated Americans".

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    Overall, you underestimate the Anglo-Saxon heritage of the Germanic and Celtic majority of the People, whilst transposing the overestimated blood quantum for non-WASP populations in our place, which is pretty Anglophobic.
    Good grief.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    Lincoln, my kinsman, stated a belief in a government of the People, by the People and for the People. This People is the WASP.
    Lincoln (who was likely racially-mixed - possibly a Melungeon) is an odd choice for an Anglo-Saxonist to admire. He sent an army of continental Europeans and Africans to destroy the Anglo-Saxon South. In contrast, the South thought of itself as a bulwark of Anglo-Saxon civilisation and a defender of the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Endgame View Post
    Actually, I'm aware of that tendency, which only further strengthens my point about the almost complete lack of Anglo-Saxon (or English, or British) identity in America. Americans who are 7/8 British and 1/8 something else are likely to be much prouder of the 1/8 something else than of the British portion. At any rate, I don't know what else to say to someone who refuses to acknowledge the obvious shift in the white population of America during the 19th and 20th centuries from Anglo-Saxon to non-Anglo-Saxon.



    Again, I'm aware. This is mainly something that happens in the South, which I've elsewhere said is Anglo-Saxon even today. The immigrant-descended people of the West, Midwest, and Northeast are more likely to be "hyphenated Americans".



    Good grief.



    Lincoln (who was likely racially-mixed - possibly a Melungeon) is an odd choice for an Anglo-Saxonist to admire. He sent an army of continental Europeans and Africans to destroy the Anglo-Saxon South. In contrast, the South thought of itself as a bulwark of Anglo-Saxon civilisation and a defender of the same.
    How are Germans not adaptable for Anglo-Saxon, nor Irish for Scottish? Ethnicity lays on a spectrum in such cases. You don't value the inclusion that obviously expands the definition of WASP, but whereas England had Wessex and Danelaw, New England had Dutch and Swedish colonies. How limited the Clive Barker's Hellraiser box your brain strains to function inside of. If you want to make an argument that Italians and Mexicans now constitute the focus of American identity, because of their infestation of the two major metropolitan areas of New York and Los Angeles, along with their hinterlands, you only act as their propagandist and make a great disservice to verbally abuse the actual multitudes. You want to push the "Ugly American" stereotype? You fit more temperamentally than any of those not ethnically foreign mob scenes in which the Jewish media controls the narrative. Good going to amplify the Jewish mouthpiece as a Righteous Gentile. Do you provide reach-arounds for free, or do they pay you to do their dirty work?

    Hyphenation is not a state of being, so much as interest in the total lebensraum Englishness may be tied to, but nobody speaks German or Gaelic and neither Berlin nor Dublin, any more than London, is the magnet for any American's loyalty beyond grudgingly accepting the Washington swamp, a handful all on its own. You seem to forget that English, Irish and German were the subjects of King George III on the eve of 1776, in the Kingdom of Great Britain, Kingdom of Ireland and Electorate of Hanover. So, those who do not hyphenate, are no different than those who do, unless you refer to Romance interlopers in the metropolitan areas of NYC and LA, or the proto-Liberians and Austronesian Filipinos in Hawaii among Austronesian Hawaiians.

    It's true, you don't know jack about what you drivel, or you disingenuously do (based upon the level of interest) and merely wear a "shit-eating grin", reveling in the disturbing fantasies of cuckoldry you spew. I don't know anybody else on Skadi who disgusts me so much as you and we just met, or else you are somebody else I might guess at, assuming a new identity on here from a long time ago. I won't say for now, for mixed feelings regarding that person.

    Lincoln was from Yankee Puritan and Pennamite Quaker families, the Lincolns and Hanks, whom are both in my family tree. Lincoln was not some proto-Obama, which is a special type of depravity embraced by America-haters, whether pro- or anti-Negro. You put stock in Slavocrat caricatures? How about "King Andrew" Jackson as portrayed by the Whigs? I'd say your critical view ain't critical enough. You consider sexual supremacy of an Anglo-Saxon caste system in the South, more akin to Latin America, to be better than a racial separatist and repatriationist, abolitionist North? Perhaps you prefer to live in South Africa and Zimbabwe. The Democrats had used hyphenated servants, the so-called continental Europeans, in the ex-Anglican New York (Burr and Van Buren Copperheads) on one hand, with African slaves in the ex-Anglican South (Jeffersonian and Jacksonian Confederates). You may observe that the Patriot Yankees and Pennamites abolished the Church of England in 1776, thereby continuing the Commonwealth tradition leading up to Harrison and the National Unionists in his wake. I offer no kind words to the freaks who pushed for the very same types (you actually support, yet claim to decry) in national affairs long before Lincoln used them against their masters. None of them ought to have been brought over to serve the Democrats in the first place, so when Republicans in the tradition of Federalists, Whigs and Nativists denounce "Rum, Romanism and Rebellion", it is because it is cut from the same cloth. Your dishonesty attempts to wash your hands of any complicity, if you're actually just some CSA apologist. You probably love the Mexican invasion for the same reasons outlined above and moan when people talk about penalties for globalist American companies who pay the illegals under the table to take employment away from Free State Americans. You want a servile class of unenfranchised, "3/5ths" bodies, in order to force your way through Congress. You're one disheartening fifth columnist for Papists and I hope you are exposed for the Prelatical elitist you are, before everyone who has the power to stop your ulterior Cavalier Tory Jacobite Loyalist motives from being made manifest. Your ideology is the worst sort of poison and you deserve to join the Jews' real or imagined fates in Nazi Germany. You think your (((Gentile))) identification ought to make you Teflon like Clinton and Obama? I hardly ever come across anybody so hostile and inimical to my heritage as you and thought I've had to deal with some right rotten bastards lately. Congratulations for being number one. You know what Patrick Henry said about Caesar, Charles I and what he implied about George III? He might as well have named you.

    It is so fitting that Mr European Union himself liked your anti-American post, your second to be liked of the same stripe, immediately after registering here--I have little faith that you haven't been here before. Americans are forever inferior to his self-importance and the Skadi forum leadership obviously has its weight put behind you. Feel free to throw stones from his glass house. Your dedication to cultural Marxist renderings of Americana will be repaid in full by whatever kind of advancements you seek of the staff here. Feel free to double back on British nationalism if you offend them by any kind word to fellow Anglospheric folks. Anything to sell a brother out, like the Negroes in Africa. Black on Black violence in Chicago. That's the life you prefer. You have no stiff upper lip.

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    Your post is so long-winded, off-topic, and full of assumptions that I only just skimmed it. But this jumped out at me:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    Lincoln was from Yankee Puritan and Pennamite Quaker families, the Lincolns and Hanks, whom are both in my family tree. Lincoln was not some proto-Obama . . ..
    Lincoln was thought of - by the Anglo-Saxonists who lived at that time period - as being both anti-Anglo-Saxon and racially degenerate. If Victorian Anglo-Saxonists had ever heard of Obama, they would have made the obvious comparison. Trying to argue otherwise today is nothing more than historical revisionism. Lincoln freed the slaves, didn't provide for their departure, gave them guns, organised them, and broke the self-consciously Anglo-Saxon South. He politically surrounded himself with the most sultry of racial egalitarians. His army was cosmopolitan to the core (e.g., the Confederates often had trouble communicating with POWs because they didn't speak any English) and was filled with ignoble ideas about uplifting blacks and building an egalitarian utopia. A good way to describe the Union Army is: old line Puritan egalitarianism x European immigrant Marxism. And that doesn't even count the black contribution, which was considerable in number.

    Lincoln had ancestry in the backwoods of Appalachia and apparently in the same region where the mongrel Melungeons lived. This would account for both his odd appearance and his lifelong sympathy with Africans. (Spare me the handful of quotes in which Lincoln almost sounds like a racialist. I've read them before and I can easily counter with more quotes stating the exact opposite, e.g., his last speech in which he advocated black voting rights.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Endgame View Post
    Your post is so long-winded, off-topic, and full of assumptions that I only just skimmed it. But this jumped out at me:



    Lincoln was thought of - by the Anglo-Saxonists who lived at that time period - as being both anti-Anglo-Saxon and racially degenerate. If Victorian Anglo-Saxonists had ever heard of Obama, they would have made the obvious comparison. Trying to argue otherwise today is nothing more than historical revisionism. Lincoln freed the slaves, didn't provide for their departure, gave them guns, organised them, and broke the self-consciously Anglo-Saxon South. He politically surrounded himself with the most sultry of racial egalitarians. His army was cosmopolitan to the core (e.g., the Confederates often had trouble communicating with POWs because they didn't speak any English) and was filled with ignoble ideas about uplifting blacks and building an egalitarian utopia. A good way to describe the Union Army is: old line Puritan egalitarianism x European immigrant Marxism. And that doesn't even count the black contribution, which was considerable in number.

    Lincoln had ancestry in the backwoods of Appalachia and apparently in the same region where the mongrel Melungeons lived. This would account for both his odd appearance and his lifelong sympathy with Africans. (Spare me the handful of quotes in which Lincoln almost sounds like a racialist. I've read them before and I can easily counter with more quotes stating the exact opposite, e.g., his last speech in which he advocated black voting rights.)
    Didn't you know that the Queen is a reptilian, or that the American flag is proof that she rules long past George III? You speak out of both sides of your mouth, because your "miscegenation theory" is more applicable to all the so-called racialists you deem as normal in the same area. Most Negroes are the product of "rape blood" by your favorite White supremacists, the ones talking about Pocahontas in their family tree and who ran Antebellum America into the ground, who truly perverted the Anglo-Saxon mission, whilst living up to their Norman bloodlines. Lincoln was not Mr Backwoods himself, aka Old Hickory. Lincoln's parents weren't even in any way connected with those people, but Yankee transplants from New Jersey and Pennsylvania who passed through Virginia and Kentucky on their way to the Midwest.

    You can continue worshipping fools like Strom Thurmond. Sally Hemings wasn't the mistress of John Adams or any other Yankee you hate. Therefore, you worship the Melungeon myth as the best form of White supremacy, because it's all due to the Slavocrats who couldn't resist Guinea wombs to increase their own fortunes. You just had to open that can of worms and drown in hypocrisy. Didn't the British and French arm Indian tribesmen both in North America and the Subcontinent, to wipe each other out by proxy? Is this any different from Germany deputizing Japanese to invade Australia? Backpedal a bit and explain what Gordon and Kitchener were doing in Khartoum, or what Lawrence was doing in Arabia. Surely, you mean to gloss over the German and Austro-Hungarian alliance with Ottoman Turkey, or the Charge of the Light Brigade in the Crimea against fellow White Indo-Europeans and helping the Mohammedan imperialists control the Balkans that much longer. You just want to single out America for normal crap Europeans do, since you've got to be a Remainer.

    I'm having trouble seeing you as British, due to your extremely biased Confederate lies. However, if you are, your agenda is driven by an inferiority complex toward Germans and a superiority complex toward Americans. Is your name "Chambermaid", ahem? If my countrymen are not English, then yours are not Saxon. If you want me to own Italians, you must own the Romans. You think you can own the Saxon identity as well as Germans, by disowning Americans, to win back their favor that never existed except in your fantasy? You are like a teen parent being forced to choose between the grandparents who neglected you and the grandchildren they say ought to be given up for adoption, having past the time for abortion. How deeply do you repent the Zimmerman Telegram being exposed and healing wounds with other Englishmen. You must hate Churchill and think his Mom is a Jewess. You can't have double standards and still make sense. I'm really fed up with your Eurocentric nonsense.

    Then again, you're not saying anything to indicate you know anything about Britain and your biases about it, which lends more credence to the fact that you are indeed a self-loathing American with delusions of grandeur about the South, trying to assert your superiority against the damned Yankees. What a wasteland the South is, all to have foreign labor and live like kings. Not much has changed since then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodskarl Dubhgall View Post
    Didn't you know that the Queen is a reptilian, or that the American flag is proof that she rules long past George III? You speak out of both sides of your mouth, because your "miscegenation theory" is more applicable to all the so-called racialists you deem as normal in the same area. Most Negroes are the product of "rape blood" by your favorite White supremacists, the ones talking about Pocahontas in their family tree and who ran Antebellum America into the ground, who truly perverted the Anglo-Saxon mission, whilst living up to their Norman bloodlines. Lincoln was not Mr Backwoods himself, aka Old Hickory. Lincoln's parents weren't even in any way connected with those people, but Yankee transplants from New Jersey and Pennsylvania who passed through Virginia and Kentucky on their way to the Midwest.

    You can continue worshipping fools like Strom Thurmond. Sally Hemings wasn't the mistress of John Adams or any other Yankee you hate. Therefore, you worship the Melungeon myth as the best form of White supremacy, because it's all due to the Slavocrats who couldn't resist Guinea wombs to increase their own fortunes. You just had to open that can of worms and drown in hypocrisy. Didn't the British and French arm Indian tribesmen both in North America and the Subcontinent, to wipe each other out by proxy? Is this any different from Germany deputizing Japanese to invade Australia? Backpedal a bit and explain what Gordon and Kitchener were doing in Khartoum, or what Lawrence was doing in Arabia. Surely, you mean to gloss over the German and Austro-Hungarian alliance with Ottoman Turkey, or the Charge of the Light Brigade in the Crimea against fellow White Indo-Europeans and helping the Mohammedan imperialists control the Balkans that much longer. You just want to single out America for normal crap Europeans do, since you've got to be a Remainer.

    I'm having trouble seeing you as British, due to your extremely biased Confederate lies. However, if you are, your agenda is driven by an inferiority complex toward Germans and a superiority complex toward Americans. Is your name "Chambermaid", ahem? If my countrymen are not English, then yours are not Saxon. If you want me to own Italians, you must own the Romans. You think you can own the Saxon identity as well as Germans, by disowning Americans, to win back their favor that never existed except in your fantasy? You are like a teen parent being forced to choose between the grandparents who neglected you and the grandchildren they say ought to be given up for adoption, having past the time for abortion. How deeply do you repent the Zimmerman Telegram being exposed and healing wounds with other Englishmen. You must hate Churchill and think his Mom is a Jewess. You can't have double standards and still make sense. I'm really fed up with your Eurocentric nonsense.

    Then again, you're not saying anything to indicate you know anything about Britain and your biases about it, which lends more credence to the fact that you are indeed a self-loathing American with delusions of grandeur about the South, trying to assert your superiority against the damned Yankees. What a wasteland the South is, all to have foreign labor and live like kings. Not much has changed since then.
    Strom Thurmond? Kitchener? Crimea? Is there a single sentence in your reply that is on-topic?

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