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    I just had a thought about that Jewish issue.

    Wouldn't it have been more germane and appropriate to have shown the number of German casualties at the end of the film rather than the (unproven) number of Jewish casualties, considering that the film centred around the struggle of the German people, and around not the struggle of the Jews? I know that this would cause controversy, but the fact that it would just proves something in itself. What would people call it, favouritism? It's not exactly rational to think of Jewish favouritism as A-OK, only to whine about other kinds.

    In the theatre, I could hear people scoff at what they believed to be ironic statements, such as Magda Goebbels' comment that a world without National Socialism was not a world worth living in. I knew this would be the reaction of the common person. I was just waiting for that response. I can't wait until the Second World War is treated like any other piece of history. Hopefully this film is one step forward.

    I know I'm preaching to the choir here, so I apologise.

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    Agreed. It irritates me that the Jews are supposed to be the only people whose suffering matters. Nobody denies the camps existed and that people died there, but there still are some very big questions unanswered.

    The original death toll for Auswitch was ten million, then six million, then three million, then 1.8 million, and now's it's officially about 800 000. Yet the holy "six million" figure never changes. And the deaths of any other peoples in WW2 don't seem to matter. The longer this goes on, the more people will see that something's not right here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldritch
    The original death toll for Auswitch was ten million, then six million, then three million, then 1.8 million, and now's it's officially about 800 000. Yet the holy "six million" figure never changes. And the deaths of any other peoples in WW2 don't seem to matter. The longer this goes on, the more people will see that something's not right here.
    Yes. How many people involved in WW2 know the death-toll of their own people?















    I take that silence as "I´m not sure" or "Honestly I don´t know"

    Yet for some reason everyone "knows" how many jews were gassed one sunny afternoon in Auschwitch...

    Actually, I see that their cult is losing it´s grip among us goyim every passing day.

    If you take the American standpoint, WW2 is the only war you can not criticize, as if it were a holy war. All WW2 movies are about good smashing evil while e.g movies about Vietnam War have been about "the tragedy of war" for the last 20 years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldritch
    Possibly the most irrititating thing about this film to me was the fact that the production team shies away from showing the barbaric behaviour of the Soviet troops toward German civilians and POW's, and instead shows them as merry, happy-go-lucky fellow who like dancing and giving the vanquished Germans shots of Vodka. eyes:
    I agree. The large number of suicides portrayed in the film appeared out of context, in that the expected behaviour (shooting of POW's and civilians, mass gang-rapes of German women, etc.) that the advancing Soviet soldiers would inflict on the inhabitants of Berlin, soldiers and civilians alike, was not portrayed.

    The Romanian-born actress Alexandra Maria Lara who played Traudl Junge is very beautiful and a talented actress (her official website is here). I remember seeing her in a German television mini-series Trenck - Zwei Herzen gegen die Krone, where she played the sister of Frederick the Great.


    And yet, what happens at the end of the film? She walks straight through a group of Russian soldiers, and one offers her a drink! : Surely in reality such a woman, dressed in a Wehrmacht uniform, would have been treated less amicably.


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    So she is from Romania? Interesting. I think I will start a classification thread about her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldritch
    So she is from Romania? Interesting. I think I will start a classification thread about her.
    Funny, I was thinking that would be a good idea myself just now!

    Apparently she was born in November 1978 in Bucharest, Romania. Her family emigrated to Germany in 1983 'for political reasons'.

    I assumed she and her family were Volksdeutsche (since many ethnic Germans emigrated to the Bundesrepublik under Ceaucescu's regime), but then I read her original family name is 'Platareanu'. Her father Valentin Platareanu was a well-known Romanian actor. They apparently changed the family name on advice from a manager, who said their name was too hard to pronounce in German. So not German at all!

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    Question Der Untergang/ The Downfall

    Who here has seen Der Untergang/ The Downfall. Did you like it? Did you think it was a fair portrayal of Hitler and the NS regime?

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    Re: Der Untergang/ The Downfall

    Quote Originally Posted by thiedischer
    Who here has seen Der Untergang/ The Downfall. Did you like it? Did you think it was a fair portrayal of Hitler and the NS regime?

    I have seen it many times.Great movie.Great performance by Bruno Ganz.

    I think it was fair portrayal.

    Very authentic.

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    Re: Der Untergang/ The Downfall

    Heh I seen many WW2 movies (Saving Private Ryan, Band of Brothers and Saints and soldiers) but this was the only one that portraid the war from a german perspective.. I liked the scenes that had some street fights.. The german soldiers impressed me because they didn't surrender even though they had no chance to win...

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    AW: Der Untergang/ The Downfall

    I´ver seen this movie two times! I think it is one of the best WW2 movies I´ve ever seen and one of the most realistic ones. It is a thousand times better than movies like: Hitler: Rise of the evil!

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