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    Lightbulb Downfall Wins Germany's Top Audience Award

    Downfall Wins Germany's Top Audience Award
    By Ulf Stabe




    Downfall ("Der Untergang") has won the Bavarian Film Prize's Audience Award for 2004, a campaign in the forefront of the official awards.

    The film is based on the novel Inside Hitler's Bunker by Joachim Fest and follows the final weeks of the war, from the desperate battles that raged night and day in the ruins of Berlin, fought by boys and old men, to the growing paranoia that marked Hitler's mental state.

    With his utter disregard for the well being of both soldiers and civilians-- to his suicide and the efforts of his loyal aides to destroy his body before the advancing Russian armies reached Berlin.

    The vote was initiated by the German TV magazine "Kino Kino", the radio show "Bayern 3" and a Munich based newspaper "Abendzeitung München", and represents voting results from their audience.




    Young boys and old men made up the last defenders of Berlin
    The other nominees (for the audience award) were the other most successful movies of 2004 at the German Box Office, mostly comedies:

    "7 Zwerge, Männer allein im Wald" ("The 7 Dwarves, Men alone in the Forest") A funny retelling of Snowhite, featuring the most popular German comedians, led by Otto.

    "Traumschiff Surprise - Periode 1" ("Dreamship Surprise, Period 1") A parody of the Star Wars and Star Trek movies, made by Michael 'Bully' Herbig (director, producer and star of the movie) actor), also starring Til Schweiger. Traumschiff was a funny and technically superb movie, my favorite of last year.

    Bully is known for his TV Series ‘BullyParade’. He also made "Der Schuh des Manitu", a Western parody, released 2001 and winner of the audience award in 2002, one of the most successful German movies ever.

    Der Wixxer (A fake of the popular German Edgar Wallace movies in the 60s).

    The last nominee was "Laura’s Stern" (Laura’s Star) a really beautiful animated children movie.

    The official prize for best film will not be announced until Jan 14th. Overall the audience vote was not surprising given the lack of any serious competition for a epic movie like "Der Untergang" ("Downfall").




    Bruno Ganz plays Adolf Hitler in Downfall


    Downfall however has not gotten unanimously good reviews from critics in Germany. A great historical epos for sure, presenting an important period and an important person from younger German history in brilliant cinematography.


    Other have said that it is a little shallow, that the German defenders in the final fight for Berlin are too heroic, mowed down by faceless Russian aggressors and that the great crimes of the Nazis, like the Holocaust, are hardly touched.

    The movie is expected to have limited release in New York and Los Angeles next month, details when we get them.


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    Post Der Untergang - Officiële site met synopsis, foto's en trailer.


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    Hitler's "Downfall" / "Der Untergang"

    Looks better than the reviews made it out to be. Better, in the sense of the quality of production, as well as special effects. As far as the portrayal of Hitler is concerned...well, see for yourself .

    A review from the site.

    When writer-producer Bernd Eichinger read the galleys of historian Joachim Fest's book "Der Untergang" ("The Downfall: Inside Hitler's Bunker, The Last Days of the Third Reich"), he knew he had found the dramatic key to a film he had wanted to make for decades, but never thought possible due to its scope. Fess' book focuses on the final days of the Reich, and Eichinger saw that the horrifying epic of Hitler and his people during his twelve years in power was reflected in those last twelve days in the bunker. "The final days tell us a lot about how the mass fanaticism functioned in the regime's earlier years and how it continued to reign until the bitter end," says Eichinger. Eichinger read another very important book around the same time he read Fest's; the memoirs of Traudl Junge, Hitler's private secretary ("Until the Final Hour: Hitler's Last Secretary".); which was later made into the documentary "Blind Spot: Hitler's Secretary." "Fest gave me the time frame, Traudl Junge gave me the character who could hold it all together." "Downfall" is the first German film to broach the subject of Hitler straight-on since G.W. Pabst's 1956 "Der Letste Akt" ("The Last Act") which was told from the point of view of an ordinary German soldier, played by Oskar Werner. Says director Oliver Hirschbiegel, "In terms of German film history, we are breaking new ground here, since there is no cinematic frame of reference. After reading the book, it was clear to me that if I committed myself, then it would have to be a total and complete commitment, meaning that I was going to spend two years of my life in the Third Reich, with all of those characters and that primitive ideology… My hair stood on end. My wife advised me against it. Yet I noticed that it just wouldn't leave me in peace, and in my heart, before accepting the project, I knew that I had already opened myself up to it."

    Starring: Christian Berkel, Daniel Brühl, Fabian Busch, Heino Ferch, Bruno Ganz, Corinna Harfouch, André Hennicke, Juliane Köhler, Thomas Kretschmann, Ulrike Krumbiegel, Alexandra Maria Lara, Ulrich Matthes, Michael Mendl, Birgit Minichmayr, Ulrich Noethen, Götz Otto, Justus von Dohnanyi
    Director: Oliver Hirschbiegel

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    How can you praise this film? Do you have any Ideas of how it was back then?
    Doesn't it strike you as atrange that this film gets so many positive reviews - even from Hollywood?
    Seeing the clips makes me want to kill all those actors, specialy that lil dwarf that plays Hitler like a rambling, screaming madman.
    Nothing new about this film. Seen it all before. Anthony Hopkins played a better Hitler.

    What a piece of sh*t!

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    I never praised the film, I just said the production values/special effects were better than the review I read about them said they were. I found it very difficult to watch the scenes with Hitler, for one reason or another. I doubt I'll see this film.

    BTW- what movie did Anthony Hopkins portray Hitler in? Is it worth watching?

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    The actor Bruno Ganz who so badly portrays the Fuhrer is indeed very short! Seems like everyone else is looking down on him!
    I don't see why there has been controversy over this film and its supposed 'sympathetic' portrayal of Hitler. If it has been nominated for an Academy award (best foreign film), then surely Hollywood's Jews don't disapprove of it.

    For David Irving's review, visit http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/Irving/RadDi/2005/010205.html

    Perhaps some parts of this film will be good, in that it will sympathize with the plight of ordinary Berliners as their city is being conquered by the Soviets. For example, scenes showing the horrific Russian bombardment of the city, wounded German soldiers screaming as their limbs are amputated, courageous German boys being blown to bits whilst hunting Russian tanks with Panzerfausts, etc.

    Plus it has German actress Alexandra Maria Lara playing Traudl Junge. I saw her playing Fredrick the Great's sister in the TV movie 'Trenck - Zwei Herzen gegen die Krone'. Very nice!
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    Eichinger and Hirschbiegl (both subhumans) think if they use a lot of special effects and some flashy battle-scenes, that it will make a film "authentic". Hopkins played Hitler much better, although in one scene in the staff room he also throws a fit and screams. But that is only once. In this film Hitler seems to be constantly screetching and rambling.
    I will never expect decent workmanship from any "german" directors or producers. They top even the Jews in vileness and and falsehood. Everyone seems to think that if something comes from "Germany", it is somehow more "authentic" and honest. As if "Germans" have some sort of interest in getting their history straightend out again. On the contrary. There is nothing truly "German" in todays Germany anymore. They produce 100% poison. It's pure Judaism.

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    [SOLVED] "Der Untergang" / "Downfall"

    German information and trailer: http://www.deruntergang-special.film.de/
    English information and trailer: http://www.downfallthefilm.com/
    IMDB Info: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0363163/

    Who has seen the film? Thoughts?

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    I wrote a review of this film in Finnish in tNP Suomi.

    I'll summarize it here:

    Just so you know where I'm coming from, I'm not a National Socialist, and do not admire Hitler -- although I recognize that he was a very talented and exceptional individual.

    The Swiss actor Bruno Gatz, who plays Hitler, overdoes it pretty badly. He seems more like a bad parody of Hitler than an actual person. And he looks too old.

    Goebbels is portrayed as a psychopath, which he never was. A coldblooded fanatic, yes, but not crazy -- not even at the very end. His political testament, which he dictated to Hitler's secretary before his suicide (and which the film tries to ridicule) proves this.

    Most of the other top Nazis are shown rather accurately, as far as I know. Albert Speer is shown in a surprisingly positive light.

    The main character is Hitler's secretary, Traudl Jung. She is played by Alexandra Maria Lara, a very beautiful and talented young woman whose work I expect to see more of in the future. 1:

    As for the holoholopropaganda, there isn't any more of it than absolutely necessary. The "six million" figure tacked on at the end seems copypasted just to avoid unnecessary controversy with Zionist groups.

    Possibly the most irrititating thing about this film to me was the fact that the production team shies away from showing the barbaric behaviour of the Soviet troops toward German civilians and POW's, and instead shows them as merry, happy-go-lucky fellow who like dancing and giving the vanquished Germans shots of Vodka. eyes:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldritch
    The Swiss actor Bruno Gatz, who plays Hitler, overdoes it pretty badly. He seems more like a bad parody of Hitler than an actual person. And he looks too old.
    Well... it is a drama film. Everything is overdone. I really liked his portrayal of Hitler. Ganz does look a bit too old, yes, but he looked more like his character than the actors who played Goebbels or Himmler. It is difficult to recreate the perfect likeness.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eldritch
    As for the holoholopropaganda, there isn't any more of it than absolutely necessary. The "six million" figure tacked on at the end seems copypasted just to avoid unnecessary controversy with Zionist groups.
    That upset me. The movie had nothing to do with Jews. Why not mention the Poles, the Ukrainians, etc.? Jews are favoured, as per usual.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eldritch
    Possibly the most irrititating thing about this film to me was the fact that the production team shies away from showing the barbaric behaviour of the Soviet troops toward German civilians and POW's, and instead shows them as merry, happy-go-lucky fellow who like dancing and giving the vanquished Germans shots of Vodka. eyes:
    Agreed here, although there were many German casualties shown.

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