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    Are Aborigines Homo Sapiens Sapiens?

    Looking at pictures from Aborigines I am asking why they are considered to be sapiens sapiens?
    Their facial features are almost like a modelation of some archaic homo.



    Homo Erectus:

    Homo Sapiens Idalto:


    Their primitive tribal lifestyle is also interesting. And they are known to be alot less intelligent than for example Europeans.

    What makes them Spaiens Sapiens? That they can reproduce with Europeans? I would consider them to be quite distant from us!

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    AW: Are Aborigines Homo Sapiens Sapiens?

    I'm not sure if the sapiens sapiens notion makes sense anyway, speaking about possible modern human subspecies, races, however, they are primitive, archaic, yes, but still sapiens.
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    Re: Are Aborigines Homo Sapiens Sapiens?

    There are some modern aborigine females living today with cranial capacity under 1,000cc. This indicates they are still at the Erectus/Sapiens threshold. - coon, in his origin of races

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    AW: Are Aborigines Homo Sapiens Sapiens?

    They really look like Homo erectus or some kind of archaic human. I dont understand this, because I learned that Australia was settled by some Asians and tribal Indians on their way to the east...but no other people on the world look like Aborigines. From which tribe do they descent?

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    Re: AW: Are Aborigines Homo Sapiens Sapiens?

    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie
    They really look like Homo erectus or some kind of archaic human. I dont understand this, because I learned that Australia was settled by some Asians and tribal Indians on their way to the east...but no other people on the world look like Aborigines. From which tribe do they descent?
    From the origin of races:

    The Australoid sub-species has three races: (i)Australoid proper, (ii) Tasmanian and Papuo-Melanesian (iii) negritos.

    All are descended from Pithecanthropus which was Homo Erectus that lived on Java 500,000 years b.p. Pithecanthropus had the legs of an Australian aborignal and the skull was evolving in the same direction.

    Also found on Java was Solo Man who was also Homo Erectus and live there 100,000 b.p. Pithecanthropus and Solo have similar skull shape but Solo is larger. This shows that there was little evolution in the wet tropics of Java over a period of 400,000 years.

    Cranial capacity (male/female):

    Pithecanthropus: 900cc/775cc
    Solo: 1,150cc/1,040cc
    Modern Australians: 1,350cc/1,180cc

    There are some modern aborigine females living today with cranial capacity under 1,000cc. This indicates they are still at the Erectus/Sapiens threshold.

    A skull from the Niah Cave in North Borneo establishes the existence of Australoid Homo Sapiens 40,000 b.p.

    Wadjak, a Homo Sapiens, found also in Java had a cranial capacity of 1,475cc. It's age is between 10,000 and 40,000 years old.

    Sometime between Solo and Wadjak, the transition between Homo Erectus to Homo Sapiens was made. This transition may not have ocurred on Java but from a gene flow from the mongoloid region to the north. Wadjak shows extraordinary facial flatness.

    Wadjak is as large and heavy as the Heidelberg jaw found in Germany. It is not known whether Heidelberg (which is at least 360,000 years old) was Erectus or Sapiens. The teeth are similar in size to many modern Europeans and the skull base was narrow which is indicative of Sapiens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie
    but no other people on the world look like Aborigines.
    Well in mexico there existed until relatively recent times (spanish conquistadors) primitive people resembling aboriginal - perhaps even more archaic. Unfortunately i lost the info on my pc.

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    Re: AW: Are Aborigines Homo Sapiens Sapiens?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrippa
    I'm not sure if the sapiens sapiens notion makes sense anyway, speaking about possible modern human subspecies, races, however, they are primitive, archaic, yes, but still sapiens.
    But shouldnt there be a scientific term to indicate the extraordinary differences between these "sapiens". If science today wouldnt be so political correct they would have made that distinction already, wouldnt they?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Eld
    There are some modern aborigine females living today with cranial capacity under 1,000cc. This indicates they are still at the Erectus/Sapiens threshold. - coon, in his origin of races
    According to Richard Lynn Australian Aborigines are having an average IQ of 62 only above Bushmen of the Kalahari and Pygmies of the Congo rain forests with an IQ of 54.

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    Re: Are Aborigines Homo Sapiens Sapiens?

    I came across this website one day and I was surprised that these two aboriginal women didn't look like the pics of ones we see posted here on Skadi like those above.

    http://www.stiffgins.com/biography.php



    From the Yuwaalaraay people with roots in Sydney's inner West and country NSW,



    Kaleena is from the Wiradjuri and Yorta Yorta people, southern NSW & northern Victoria peoples,
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    Re: Are Aborigines Homo Sapiens Sapiens?

    Nardi Simpson and Kaleena Briggs.

    They have European ancestry.

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    Re: Are Aborigines Homo Sapiens Sapiens?

    Quote Originally Posted by OdinThor
    Nardi Simpson and Kaleena Briggs.

    They have European ancestry.
    I wouldn't go by last names to confirm this. Many Native Americans Indians in the US have adopted European last names, yet have no European ancestry. The Slaves also took on European last names, even ones who were not mixed.

    Maybe Australia is no different?
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    AW: Are Aborigines Homo Sapiens Sapiens?

    They are obviously mixed, no way that they are fully Australid.

    Australids are genetically related to some Asians and Australoid/Australo-Melanesid groups exist in Asia too, however, the difference between them and Australids is mostly due to the fact that they were primitive groups coming to Australia and living there in isolation in a relatively stable-unchanged environment. They just kept primitive traits others lost. If looking at the isolated Australian continent, we can see many surviving primitive mammals which died out in other regions and being substituted by more advanced, developed forms.
    Its not that different for Homo sapiens, though there are quite big differences between Australoids of Australia and Tasmania. Tasmanids and some Aborigines from Australia, especially the dwarfish groups, being the most primitive groups of mankind most likely, surviving archaic forms only comparable with Palaemelanesids, Sanids, Bambutids etc. Most of them being extinct already or exist mostly in mixed populations now.
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