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    24 38.71%
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    Poll: What Caste Should Rule?

    The basic Aryan or Indo-Germanic Caste system recurs throughout our cultural & political history.

    I have simplified it down to just three 'functions' for the purpose of this poll.

    I want to know who you think should rule out of these three castes, who are [in alphabetical order] the farmers, priests & warriors.

    I am asking you to choose only the one that should be top.

    I would appreciate reasons given for your choice.
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    Re: Poll: What Caste Should Rule?

    I vote to warriors ,the xatriya cast with a cooperations with brahmas!Plato wrote that the ruler cast must be philosophers and the second ruling cast must be the guards(or warriors)!But today neither priests are a spiritual cast nor soldiers are the warrior cast!We live in a Time with out a spirituality and todays ruling class are buisnessmen and politicians!
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    Re: Poll: What Caste Should Rule?

    My vote goes to the divine caste as opposed to the lower "priests." That is to say those of the spiritual caste who are "twice-born" and have mastered the hermetico-alchemical "great work". Traditionally, one, either of the sacerdotal or of the heroic caste, wasn't considered a true king unless he attained the high initiation. However, I feel that any rule of the warrior caste, though of a virile force, has more of a tendency to fall into a lunar spirituality, simply by its more active nature. Additionally, there is the opinion that there are today very few warriors (as opposed to soldiers) as there are few of the high initiates, which therein lies the dilemma.

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    Re: Poll: What Caste Should Rule?

    The priests, of course. Justice being the function of law which serves the common good, which would naturally be reflected in the divine order, the priests are the best choice for rulership.
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    Re: Poll: What Caste Should Rule?

    I dislike the "priestly caste" because I'm areligious and the Germanic peoples do not seem to have had a priest class of any importance. Rule by professional warriors is foolish for obvious reasons. Our ancestors were ruled by warriors, out of traditon and ongoing family feuds which created an atmosphere of constant fear and dispair. Farmers should rule as much as possible because Germanic society has traditionally been an egalitarian, freedom-loving society in which farmer-warriors were represented directly or indirectly through assemblies.

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    Question Re: Poll: What Caste Should Rule?

    Interesting discussion.
    I'm not sure which caste should rule, I must admit
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    How about combining all three into a farmer-warrior-priest caste?
    I think one could say that was what Himmler was doing with the SS. It seems he was "merging" the thoose three castes into one Order. He himself used to be a chicken farmer, but was into spirituality and warriorhood (although he hardly was a warrior or a priest, you get my drift).

    It's possible to be a "spiritual farmer knight", a paladin of the soil, I would like to think
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    Re: Poll: What Caste Should Rule?

    It's possible to be a "spiritual farmer knight", a paladin of the soil, I would like to think
    I could be wrong about this, but it seems to me that Nietzsche once used a similar description for his uebermensch.

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    AW: Poll: What Caste Should Rule?

    Should rule? For us, here and today? I also tend to plead for the patching up of the three ideal types, perhaps with the farmer component being directly for the ruler personality the least relevant one. So basically a warrior-priest who fights, but is no nihilistic fighter for fighting's sake, but moved and thrilled by a strong and deep belief, and who fights for what he believes.

    One may take of course the designation "priest" in our modern-rationalist-technocratic late time civilization (hallo, Herr Spengler ) in a most amplified defined way and see in there the "ideologue" of the type of a rather secular-grounded weltanschauung included, which strives for the overcoming of desintegration and degeneration, for the protection and securing of the basic substance and for regeneration through a positive and holistic spirit and the creation of an organic order in state and society (inter alia with a "cultus" of the blood).--It is not immediately Ratzinger with a machine gun what comes to my mind when I praise the "warrior-priest" (sorry, Johannes de León ).
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    Sv: AW: Poll: What Caste Should Rule?

    I cannot easily choose since Georges Dumezil in his study of the Indo-Europeans goes beyond the "priest-warrior-farmer"-distinction, and adds the fact that the first (sovereignty) function actually has two aspects. The priests/brahmana/flamines may be the best-known, but there is also the ghandarva-aspect. The ghandarva aspect is the aspect of the "terrible god", of Oden as opposed to the "legal/jurist aspect" of the first function (represented by gods such as Tyr/Tiwaz and Mitra).

    The ghandarva-function is also the magical and creative aspect. And represented not by "priests" in the usual sense but rather by groups of warriormystics and shapeshifters (like the lupercali in ancient Rome and the berserkers in the North).

    And personally I prefer the ghandarva-aspect.

    A reason should also be given, and it is easier to see why the other groups are not good at it:

    Farmers/bourgeoisie: Easy to see. Society should not be subordinated to the economy, and especially not to materialism and "individualism".

    Warriors: A better solution, but warriors often lack the discipline and creativity to make a really good ruling caste.

    Priests: This group has discipline, but no creativity.

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    Re: Poll: What Caste Should Rule?

    I voted warriors - Starship Troopers (the book )
    "Nothing is more disgusting than the majority: because it consists of a few powerful predecessors, of rogues who adapt themselves, of weak who assimilate themselves, and the masses who imitate without knowing at all what they want." (Johann Wolfgang Goethe)

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