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Thread: Skadi Forum Orientation?

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    Re: Skadi Forum Orientation?

    I voted for "Germanic preservation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried
    Since the Anglo-Saxons are already Germanic, I think it would be odd to have a slogan like "Germanic and Anglo-Saxon Preservation". It would only add to the confusion around the Germanic concept. If the Anglo-Saxons here would like to see more attention to their ethnic sphere, I'm in favour of creating an Anglo-Saxon subforum similar to the Dutch and Scandinavian sections we have.
    I agree with Siegfried, this would only create more confusion. While an extra subforum could be nice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorburn
    Including the Anglo-Saxons is the easiest, as they are already included. Anglo-Saxons are Germanic, but maybe one would need to emphasize their particular heritage and significance (about half of the Germanics identify with Anglo-Saxons) by mentioning them explicitly in the forum banner and forum mission statement. There seem to be quite a few people that confuse 'Germanic' with 'German.'
    One could always include a little line beneath the Germanic preservation banner which mentions something like: Anglo-Saxons, Teutons and Vikings (alphabetically ordened).
    Anglo-Saxon would include in that case the British who identify themself as Germanic and their descendants abroad.
    Teutons would include the Germanics of Continental Europe, and their descendants oversea etc.. (roughly thus the Dutch and German speaking).
    Vikings should be the people from the Scandinavian peninsula and Denmark (speaking a North-Germanic language).

    With this done their will be no more confusion about the "German = Germanic but not Anglo-Saxon" thing, nor is their confusion about the fact that the Scandinavian (Northern-Germanic) are part of the Germanic world (which some people also still don't seem to get).

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    Re: Skadi Forum Orientation?

    Why not Germanic and European preservation?But i'll respect what ever you decide!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilay
    Maybe the discussion started because the thread by creating an other (an more british/anglo-saxon) Skadi forum?
    No, I promise you, absolutely nothing. I actually think that there surely must be an audience large enough, sufficiently "British" in its self-conception, that would warrant the existence of such a forum. It's actually a very interesting idea.

    I've lost count but there are by now between half a dozen and a dozen Skadi offshots, many of which we helped to create and all of which we offered some support at some stage (like they offered some support to us at some stage). We like them all, albeit it seems that this love is not always mutual.

    But we are definitely not bothered if somebody wants to create his own forum. We wouldn't even be bothered if somebody wanted to create a "better" Germanic forum. Same way Stormfront isn't bothered if somebody creates a "better" forum for white nationalists. If he can beat and top us and get the overwhelming support of the Germanics online, then he probably did something very right, while we did something wrong. The winners, however, would be the Germanics, because they would be better off. As you know, we don't earn any money if people come to Skadi. We just want to offer them resources and a home. If somebody can do it better, great thing -- we'd just have less work.

    We are happy if people develop some initiative on their own, and we are actually somewhat proud that the idea of Skadi has influenced already so many people that they consider to create their "own" Skadi: whatever the orientation might be.

    There are advantages to having many forums over having only one or two. A "British" Skadi, run by Brits, would be able to address issues of concern to Brits better. It would create an atmosphere in which Brits feel more at home and comfortable. A member of a British forum would, for example, not be bothered by views considered hostile, false, idiotic or rude by most Brits, while on Skadi the expression of such views will have to be protected, as long as it doesn't rise to the level of rule-incompliant incitement. We simply can't dump everything that's considered anti-German, anti-WASP, or false by someone. It makes a hell of difference if you discuss the war crimes of WW2 with 5 fellow nationalists from your own country or with 5 chauvinists coming from Germany, America, Britain, France and Russia.

    The largest disadvantage to having many forums is that good information gets clustered all over the net, and that good contributors, too, spread out to a large extent. Who can be an active member of a dozen forums? Somebody might argue that one can use Google for searching, but that's not exactly the issue. Some forums are closed for guests and almost all (like Skadi) have private areas or areas for regulars that can't be spidered. However, the biggest problem is that many discussions do not even occur and that much information isn't even posted, simply because one of your favorite ex-posters now happens to hang around on another forum.

    Thus, it's in general better if people support existing forums that are already large (Skadi above all ) than founding the 13th small forum offshot, be it then they target at an audience that, after having considered all reasonable compromises, cannot be accomodated within an existing large forum. This is surely the case when it comes to Brits and Skadi. Not all Brits are Germanic, and even some Germanic Brits don't feel Germanic (or European) but British foremost and above all.

    So, to answer your question, Ma'm, it has not anything to do with the "British" Skadi, but everything with a (second) query of the German administrator addressing the issue. I'm probably significantly more happy with fact that Skadi is no longer "European" than he is. Great guys (like he, too) think big, while I proudly am and will remain a reactionary all-Germanic sectarian til' death us part.

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    Re: Skadi Forum Orientation?

    I voted for Germanic/Anglo-Saxon.

    For a long time, the Saxons of the Continent, and the Saxons of England cherished their brotherhood.

    The 20th century saw that poisoned and smashed with two deplorable brother's wars.

    Surely one vital task for the post war generations is to repair that damage?

    So Skadi could be used towards that essential task of English/German friendship.

    Also, Leofric had some harsh words for those who have lost-sight of the large Germanic and Anglo-Saxon component of North America.

    I do sympathise with him, and it also brings forth another long-term goal for us;

    to restore America to its Germanic/Anglo-Saxon purpose!

    For me there is no better standard to rally under than the Germanic/Anglo-Saxon one.

    Hail to all our Brothers, whether in Angeln, England or New England and elsewhere in the Germano-English world!
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    Re: Skadi Forum Orientation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Eld
    btw skadi should be european again
    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Eugen
    Why not Germanic and European preservation?
    I'd support a "European Skadi" all the way, and, as far as I can see, there surely would be a demand for it, but Skadi can't and won't turn European again. They say Never say never! but I really can't imagine it, even if I try. I can understand the nostalgia of some older members, in particular those who are not of Germanic heritage, but if the last 1½ years have demonstrated anything, then that the Germanic orientation is much more productive than the European. It strengthened, no, actually, verified my belief that meta-ethnicity, generously and inclusively defined as in the case of Skadi, is the largest cultural, spiritual and biological entity one can politically work with; for it's the largest group whose current collective consciousness of unity is sufficiently pronounced -- in a way that the socially attractive forces still outweigh the repulsive ones. In other words, Skadi, short of integrating the Celts maybe, most of whom have already been linguistically and culturally Germanicized, can't give itself a wider scope without scattering its community.

    Let me give you some thoughts:

    Skadi, both during its indo-European and European era, used to be a total battlefield. While there surely were highly interesting pieces of information to be found, only few people, very few people, were happy with Skadi. Very few people felt most of the time comfortable and at home. Skadi was allegedly too Nordnik, too swarthy, too pan-Slavist, too anti-Slavic, too liberal, too Nutzi, &c., all at the same time. Social happiness and Heimatsgefühl, however, are the primary indicators of a functioning social cohesion. These conflicts between members created, in addition, continual tensions between the Staff members that had to sort the former out. If the public Skadi was a battlefield, the Staff forum was the scene of massacres. It also resembled a pigeonry, with moderators constantly resigning and rejoining. I assume only the most active (ex-)Senior Staff during that time knows (and can imagine) how difficult it was to keep this community together, and how many foul compromises we all had to make, naturally at the same time deteriorating our own image, in order to keep it from rifting apart.

    Today, the situation is very different. There has never been more unity amongst Staff and the latter has never been more stable. It's, almost at all times, a pleasure to log in, without having a dozen of PMs of Staff members virtually killing each other, asking me to take their side or they'd resign.

    Short of, in comparison, rather occasional disputes where members lose their temper, traditionally limited to Europeans vs. Americans (on the English section) and National-Socialists vs. the anti-NS faction (on the German section), Skadi is pacified, people come along and manage to debate civilly, members feel at home. To a degree that is absolutely remarkable for a forum that size, I might add. Reason is that the sub-racial and meta-ethnic conflicts are almost totally gone; which proves that it's in fact tribe (Germanic) and not race (Europid) or sub-race (Nord vs. Med) that matters and always mattered.

    This feeling of comfort also directly reflects upon funding support, both from members of the English and German sections. You might have noticed the increased number of pseudonyms in red of members who were willing to send an occasional dollar to keep us on the net. One would expect more contributions on a European forum than on a Germanic one, but the precise opposite holds true. That's also the reason why our server isn't crashing anymore all the time and why it's now blistering fast.

    Needless to say, that's also a strong argument against returning to a European orientation. Although Skadi is still my property and I reserved the right to implement changes at my own discretion, all active funding members donated under the explicit premise of a Germanic orientation within the boundaries of civil free speech. While minor changes of the mission statement (such as mentioning Anglo-Saxons who are Germanics) would be rather unproblematic, a fundamental change back to European and letting all the trouble-makers that have been banned multiple times loose again, would be uncourteous to say the least.

    Lastly, during the last 1½ years, our Staff has been gradually but totally restructured to contain only Germanics. We even parted from persons such as Johannes de Léon (Romance) and Milesian (Celtic) who, through their hard work, objectivity and dedication, have rendered inesteemable services to Skadi during its European era. We not only would have to rebuild the Staff once more to contain members of all European meta-ethnicities, but it would also be next to impossible to find replacements for them.

    I hope the explanation above has given you (and some others) a few ideas why a return to a European orientation is totally out of question.
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    Re: Skadi Forum Orientation?

    How could one fairly turn a forum that has been facing over a years' transition to Germanic preservation, and which affected the general policies, rules, outlook, staff and so on, back to European preservation anyway? A lot has already been said, and since Skadi is now a Germanic online community, I also think that quite a few here would remain biased in favour of Germanics, and then the discontent with and claims of not being pro this and pro that enough, or being too anti this or anti that would start dropping like bombs, once again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswiu
    It is good that there is a forum catering purely to Germanic matters, as these are often overlooked in our CeltoGermanic nations of the periphery of Germandom, due to the influences of the above fashion.
    Very good point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern_Paladin
    but you want to do something special to attract Germanics of Anglo-Saxon extraction than find a way to emphasize Anglo-Saxon culture.
    I currently tend to leave the banner "Germanic" but to elaborate on "Germanic" within the mission statement or the rules.

    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried
    Since the Anglo-Saxons are already Germanic, I think it would be odd to have a slogan like "Germanic and Anglo-Saxon Preservation". It would only add to the confusion around the Germanic concept. If the Anglo-Saxons here would like to see more attention to their ethnic sphere, I'm in favour of creating an Anglo-Saxon subforum similar to the Dutch and Scandinavian sections we have.
    Don't the Anglo-Saxons have already the largest portion of Skadi, namely the English language part? The German, Scandinavian and Aldiets sections offer certain forums (e. g. The Lounge, Anthropology, Politics) in major Germanic language branches (German, Diets, Northern Germanic) different from English. What would be the purpose of creating an Anglo-Saxon subforum where everything that exists already in English is repeated in English?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Solar Wolff
    They were Celts and the simple fact is that Germanics adopted a huge amount of culture from the Celts.

    [...]

    Skadi shouldn't be a Celtic forum but we should accept history and our history and embrace it.

    [...]

    Celts should realize and accept their relationship with the Germanic world whose language and culture they have adopted to a greater or lesser extent.
    Nobody could have said it better.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Prince
    One could always include a little line beneath the Germanic preservation banner which mentions something like: Anglo-Saxons, Teutons and Vikings (alphabetically ordened).
    This is an excellent idea. Maybe one can graphically integrate the major Germanic cultures (Anglo-Saxon, German, Diets, Scandinavian) in the banner. I shall look into this.

    Oh, by the way: Frans_Jozef, you wouldn't by mere chance have an idea who is all the time changing "Nederduits" and "Low German" to ever new versions such as "Diets" and "Netherlandic" in the description of the Aldiets Forum category?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moody Lawless
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    I'm glad you gave your input. I see it very similar.
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    Re: Skadi Forum Orientation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorburn

    Oh, by the way: Frans_Jozef, you wouldn't by mere chance have an idea who is all the time changing "Nederduits" and "Low German" to ever new versions such as "Diets" and "Netherlandic" in the description of the Aldiets Forum category?
    Hm, a little profiling should point to a more or less creative mind (although his hey-days are over), bitter and disappointed, but despite every new set-back, he never cracks down when it's a matter of principle.

    Nice signature, but to quote Lao-tzu:
    “A leader is most effective when people barely know he exists. When his work is done, his aim fulfilled, his troops will feel they did it themselves.”

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    Re: Skadi Forum Orientation?

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    The work of Skadi and other forums have prepeared way
    for the birth of more specialiced forums. Also has times have changed, so time is riper for spreading.

    A great umbrella like Skadi, have not the same options to focus on local affairs and possibilities as more specialized forums.

    Ideal, Skadi leads logical to a next step,
    from a Germanic online community to establishing more distinct and spezialised cultural/geographical forums, that again can lead to the establishing of local physical groups, to continue the work in real life.

    This can much better be done by limiting the forums to for example nations. There is no contradictions in this, but like an army, it has distinct branches for various concerns.

    Skadi covers the whole germanic cultural circuit.

    Nordfolk seems to have narrowed the geographical focus a little,( I am not sure)

    The next step is giving birt to even more specialized forums, like
    establishing a English forum, good initinative.

    For taking the work down to earth,
    am am convinced there must be forums on national level. Again, there is no contradictions in national forums, and metanational forums. We need both for various functions.

    For the practical difficulties with posting in several forums,
    I recommend the Opera browser, that allows one to have several groups up, side by side at hand, and opens in less than a second.
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    Re: Skadi Forum Orientation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorburn

    Don't the Anglo-Saxons have already the largest portion of Skadi, namely the English language part? The German, Scandinavian and Aldiets sections offer certain forums (e. g. The Lounge, Anthropology, Politics) in major Germanic language branches (German, Diets, Northern Germanic) different from English. What would be the purpose of creating an Anglo-Saxon subforum where everything that exists already in English is repeated in English?
    English is the lingua franca as it's naturally and in origin grown into being the prime communication channel on Skadi. We can't expect that people take up courses in Folkspraak, though alledgedly it's easy to learn and perhaps in the future we could make steps to popularize Folkspraak and adopt it as the main language in the non-regionally specific subforums.

    In this respect, the Anglo-Saxons don't have the monopoly over the English language section of Skadi.

    Besides, we already have various specialized boards for West, North and Colonial Germanics, where discussions are held about current affairs of specific tribal interests and historical-cultural subjects.
    Since English posts are permitted in the Aldiets Forum and Skandinavisk Forum, more and more people from other tribal branches have taken an interest to involve themselves and contribute to either forum; while these boards are still distinct and particular in scope and modality, a greater fluidity between e.g. the Aldiets Forum and Dietse Volkeren can't be denied.

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