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    Preserving National Cuisine: Tradition vs. Health?

    Something to think about when it comes to preserving national cuisine:

    Germanic cuisine contains a lot of dishes based on meat. However, studies have shown that a diet rich in meat can have undesirable consequences on people's health. Thus, the Mediterranean diet, rich in vegetables has been recommended instead. Should Germanics stay true to tradition, or abandon it slowly and turn to a healthier diet? It might sound like a silly question, but do you feel it is your duty to eat fish and chips, or schnitzel, as a sign of respect towards your nation's traditions?

    It wouldn't be the first time. Germanic cuisine has changed over time according to what was readily available. Our ancestors ate less meat than us, especially in times of poverty. Now since livestock is readily available, we don't lack meat anymore. Germanics have also introduced new ingredients in their recipes once modern age opened doors to faster and easier means of transport. Is currywurst really German? Should it be abandoned for the sake of tradition?

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    I don't see where you cannot stride to live a little more healthier within the confines of your own regional, or national diet. It may be correct that a lot of traditional dishes revolve around fatty meat, potatoes and wheat --- but there's enough traditional dishes which include lean meat, cabbage, clear soups, oats, rye, you name it.

    For example: If you were going to follow the Paleolithic diet, a good old serving of game with some red cabbage is about the healthiest thing you can eat towards that diet, and best is: It's totally traditional.

    The "mediterranean diet" only became rich due to he discovery of the New World, BTW: It relies heavily on tomatoes, much like ours relies heavily on potatoes - neither of which were eaten in Europe pre-1492.

    As far as other vegetables are concerned - they very commonly feature in Germanic cuisine, you shouldn't think "traditional Germanic cuisine" as being burgers, deep-fried mars bars or mince-n-tatties where any vegetables served on the side serve a more decorative purpose than anything. Vegetable Strudel isn't that untraditional either, you know.

    Essentially, as far as I am concerned: A bit of healthier eating wouldn't do me too bad, but there's no way I can ditch a traditional roulade-of-beef or good old Tyrolese bacon dumplings. It's the food I've been fed since I was a wee tot, it's what I like best - if needs be at the detriment of health.

    And if you're really wanting to lose 25kg in two months, there's always Brennsupp'n as an alternative.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    When you ask 5 scientists about their opinion on meat consume, you get at least 5 different advises what to do.

    Yes, Currywurst is really German. And I may add that it is a western / northern speciality. In southern Germany they eat more Weisswurscht, which doesnt go along very well with curry and ketchup. Currywurst is a quite 'traditional' Ruhrpott meal, as well as 'Pommes rot/weiss' (french fries with majonaise and ketchup).

    I guess in older times people ate much more meat than today. Mostly sheep and other wild animals, there have been plently of them. Agriculture requires land which has to be farmed, in ancient times not really one of the hobbies of Germanics. Cattle in form of cows and sheeps though was common. Both dont need much care.

    However, food, no matter if veggies or meat, becomes problematic when it is highly processed or is mass produced with high amounts of pesticides or medicaments. This indeed can lead to a damage of the body. Specially pigs and cows nowadays often are mass farmed and pumped full with 'grow helpers', same with mass produced veggies (often full of harmful chemicals).

    The mediterranean cuisine also contains high amounts of oils, if people would start to consume that in those masses like the meds do, you would have the next 'self-claimed specialist' who explains that it is unhealthy to consume that much of them. The meds also drink wine a lot, and they consume espresso. All things essentially considered unhealthy.

    What would we end with then? Pure salads with no oils and bread? Oh, bread of course contains too much salt, so it is considered unhealthy too (no joke, EU freaks lately labeled bread as unhealthy ).
    Sorry, I'm no rabbit

    No wanna be health apostle will ever stop me to eat what I like, because in their essence they all postulate the same: a very one-sided diet, which will in the long run produce more problems than our cuisine, that developed along with us.

    And humans are no vegetarians, we are carnivores. Our tooth are proof of that, our digestive system is not made for a vegetarian diet. Many veggies we couldnt even eat in unprocessed form without causing serious damage in our digestive system. So it's utter bs to postulate a purely vegetarian diet.
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    Excesses which lead or aggravate crime like alcoholism should be removed from German society. I am sick of calling drunkenfests with gangrapes and molestations "cultural celebrations".

    But meat has advantages too. And German cuisine is less unhealthy than the disgusting grease called Kebab. Sauerkraut has benefic effects according to some scientists, it helps fight against flu. Eat a bit of everything and don't make excesses, and you should be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bärin View Post
    Sauerkraut has benefic effects according to some scientists, it helps fight against flu.
    It is also quite rich in carbohydrates, at least in comparison with other vegetables, and thus can be eaten quite in masses - a bit less bread and potatoes, a bit more sauerkraut for your carbohydrates and you're fine. If eaten in too high amounts it can however lead to heartburn due to its high acidity, which is why some pH-Neutral and Alkaline foods should be used to balance this.

    And yes, you shouldn't overdo any substance, including healthy foods. A school friend once ended up with health problems due to too high a stomach acidity for eating two bowls of Rote Bete every day. Everything, really everything in moderation, and balanced with other food intake.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
    -Die alte Seele trauernd und verlassen / Verblassend in einer erklärbaren Welt / Schwebend in einem Dunst der Wehmut / Ein Schrei der nur unmerklich gellt-
    -Auch ich verspüre Demut / Vor dem alten Geiste der Ahnen / Wird es mir vergönnt sein / Gen Walhalla aufzufahren?-

    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    I would like to see the person who is over weight (flabby) from eating traditional Germanic home cooked food even though he/she exercises regularly and have done so since a young age. If you're genetically predispositioned to not gain weight you wont get fat even though you eat alot and don't need to do much exercise, if however you are predispositioned to gain fat you will need to move your ass alot more than those who are genetically fit. The passive lifestyle which most if not all fat people lead most likely caused their obesity and it also ensures their continued obesity problems.

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    Eat hardy and work hard is a good rule of thumb. Food is a very important part of any culture including Germanic culture.

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    Well, there´s quite a health hystery going on in our Western societies. A new "healthy" diet here, an other even more "healthier" mediterranean meal there. It´s all about marketing and volume of sales. Many people believe this organized food and health propaganda blindly and eat things they actually dislike only to "feel" healthier afterwards, it´s like a placebo effect.

    The truth is that our Germanic countries became so strong because we´ve a historical cuisine consisting of not less fat and meat. It makes us stronger and supports the development of more complex brain structures. Sure, excess is never good for the body but that doesn´t mean that we must switch to an alien, lighter and "mediterranean" diet. Last time I checked the wild, barbarian and meat-devouring Germanics invaded and finished the Roman Empire and not vive versa.

    My family loves and celebrates traditional German and Bavarian cuisine and I eat 4 to 5 meaty main dishes a week on average. I´m neither fat nor ill, in fact I´m only extremely seldom ill (like having a flu every one or two years). All of my near ancestors become or became old and are far from being obese.

    Some vegetarians and meat alerters say "You are what you eat!", and well, I prefer cows, chickens or a deer over carots or cauliflowers. (And former have at least some form of intellect...)

    So, to put it in a nutshell, I oppose that health hype within our society and would love to see more people enjoying our traditional German(ic) dishes. They taste delicious, are connected with our native natural enviroment and don´t kill you, even if the random cosmopolitical babbler from New York, Milano or London talks otherwise.

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    This is a very interesting question , I have asked my family and friends this question before. My diet has always had a high meat content,, in our family we always used to eat Roast Dinner on Sundays.

    I can for sure have a day or maybe two where I do not eat any meat,, but after that I get very grumpy and start craving meat dishes. As for health, well i think that meat consumption and high cholestorol diet is but one of the many dangers that we are supposed to be concerned about.

    Yes bad lifestyle kills, but so does walking into the street without looking both ways... or inhaling second hand smoke!

    Infact I smoke, so really the meat intake is the least of my problems... same as if I drink to much alcohol... or have a high stress job, Did I forget to mention my salt intake

    Infact the only team I have really cut down on my red meat intake was during the early 90s when we had the Mad Cow Disease and British Beef was considered poison throughout the world.
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    I think that the problem is not with the diet, but with the change in the rest of our lifestyle. Our food is heavy in fats and carbs because that is what we traditionaly needed, but now we live within heated houses and no longer have to do much physical work, we need to change our diet to compensate, but you can do that by decreasing the portion size just as well as by changing the food.

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