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    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    I am not sure if this has been mentioned anywhere on the Site.


    "Germany Must Perish"

    By Theodore N. Kaufman.


    1941
    PRINTED IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

    This dynamic volume outlines a comprehensive Jewish plan for the extinction of the German nation and the total eradication from the earth, of all her people. Also contained the possible territorial dissection of Germany and the apportionment of her lands.

    TABLE OF CONTENTS

    I. ABOUT THIS BOCK
    This war is not Hitler's!

    II. BACKCROUND OF GERMANISM
    The destructive forces of the German war-soul.

    III. ORGANIZED GERMANISM
    A ruthless plan of world conquest.

    IV. GERMANISM ABROAD
    Early fifth-column tactics.

    V. "BLESSED ARE THE WAR-MAKERS"
    For they shall inherit oblivion.

    VI. THE MIDDLE ROAD ?
    Is there one?

    VII. DEATH FOR GERMANY!
    The Raven that croaketh Nevermore!

    VIII."LEST WE FORGET. . ."
    The wave of the future.

    Kaufman? Sounds like an angry Jew to me.
    οὐκ ἐμοῦ, ἀλλὰ τοῦ λόγου ἀκούσαντας ὁμολογεῖν σοφόν ἐστιν ἓν πάντα εἶναί.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Wagnerian View Post
    Kaufman? Sounds like an angry Jew to me.
    Yes, he was Jewish.

    From Wikipedia:

    Kaufman was a Manhattan-born Jew [...]

    Kaufman founded the Argyle Press of Newark, New Jersey, USA, in order to publish his sentiments.

    According to a March 24, 1941, Time magazine review, Kaufman founded Argyle because, "he did not want to be edited." The unnamed Time reviewer compared the book to Jonathan Swift's A Modest Proposal, noting that, unlike Swift, Kaufman's work was not satirical.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_Must_Perish!

    Map showing Kaufman's proposed dismemberment of Germany.


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    German war dead no one wants to remember

    It has been a long, troubled journey for the brittle bones and skull of Obergefreiter Horst F, from the dusty frontline ditch where he was killed in 1945, via a Czech lavatory fittings factory to a military warehouse. Soon, though, he and more than 4,000 German soldiers will be laid to rest: Europe’s forgotten warriors, the corpses that no one wants to bury.

    If the the luck of the German lance corporal holds, he will have not only a priest but also a civil servant at his graveside; and if the German War Graves Commission can trace the family in time, there may even be a distant relative. But one thing is for sure: it will not be the funeral of a war hero. More likely, the president of the war graves commission, Reinhard Fuehrer, will say similar words to those he used a few years back when he buried a thousand German Wehrmacht corpses in Krasnodar, southern Russia: “We are here today to represent the German people that has learnt its lesson from history and is now looking to the future.”

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    How insulting. I am opposed to nazism myself, but the treatment of German war victims is truly disgusting.

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    Here an article from Wikipedia:

    Organised persecution of ethnic Germans

    The Organised persecution of ethnic Germans refers to systematic activity against groups of ethnic Germans based on their ethnicity.

    Historically, this has been due to two causes: the German population were considered, whether factually or not, linked with German nationalist regimes such as those of the Nazis or Kaiser Wilhelm. This was the case in the World War I era persecution of Germans in the United States, and also in Eastern and Central Europe following the end of World War II. While many victims of these persecutions did not, in fact, have any connection to those regimes, cooperation between German minority organisations and Nazi regime did occur, as the example of Selbstschutz shows, which is still used as a pretense of hostilities against those who did not take part in such organisations. After World War II, many such Volksdeutsche were killed or driven from their homes in acts of vengeance, others in ethnic cleansing of territories prior to populating them with citizens of the annexing country. In other cases (e.g. in the case of the formerly large German-speaking populations of Russia, Estonia, or the Transylvanian (Siebenbürgen) German minority in Rumania and the Balkans) such persecution was a crime committed against innocent communities who had played no part in the Third Reich.

    German populations have also been persecuted because they were perceived as lacking proper ties to the country in which they lived — this includes the persecution of ethnic German Mennonite, Amish and Hutterite communities in the United States, and of Tyrolean Germans in South Tyrol. In the case of South Tyrol, these hostilities hit the historically German population of an Austrian territory which had been annexed by Italy after World War I.

    The debate sometimes encompasses the persecution of citizens of German descent in countries such as the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada, and Australia during the 1914-1918 and 1939-1945 World Wars.

    Specific locales

    Australia

    Persecution of ethnic Germans was much the same in Australia as it was in the United States during World War I. Many were interned for the duration of the war and others faced hostility from their fellow citizens. To avoid persecution and/or to demonstrate that they commit themselves to their new home, many Germans changed their names into anglicised or Francophone variants.

    Germany

    The book Other Losses by James Bacque (ISBN 1-55168-191-9) alleges that General Dwight Eisenhower ordered the mistreatment of German Prisoners of War who were detained in American-run POW camps after World War II. See also Eisenhower and German POWs Other US and German sources estimate the number of German POWs who died in captivity at between 56,000 or 78,000 or about 1% of all German prisoners, which is roughly the same as the percentage of American POWs who died in German captivity, and far less than the 64% of Soviet POWs who died while detained by the Third Reich.

    Still, the likelihood for a German POW of dying in captivity was 4 times higher when they were captured by Americans than when captured by the British.[1] In fact Eisenhower had them for a period relabeled as Disarmed Enemy Forces in order to rid them of the protection of the Geneva convention. Their food rations were then lowered, and the Red cross was forbidden to visit them.

    In addition, millions of German prisoners of war were for several years used as forced labor, both by the Western and Eastern Allies. (See also Eisenhower and German POWs)

    In the U.S. an initially successful campaign was carried out in the years 1944 - 1948 to convince the U.S. public that the German people should be dealt with harshly.[2]

    At the Potsdam conference after World War II the victorious allies awarded roughly 25% of Germanys pre-war territory to Poland and the Soviet Union. The German population in this area was expelled by force, together with the Germans of the Sudetenland and the German populations scattered throughout the rest of Eastern Europe. One to three million are estimated to have died during the expulsion, mainly women and children. (See also Expulsion of Germans after World War II).

    As agreed at Potsdam an attempt was made to convert Germany into an agricultural nation, with would only be allowed a minimum of light industry to pay for food imports. Large numbers of factories were during the years 1945 - 1950 dismantled as reparations or simply destroyed in order to lower the German industrial potential. (see also the Morgenthau Plan).

    Due in part to these economic occupation policies, and also due to the refusal of the U.S. to allow food imports to help ethnic Germans, large numbers of German civilians died in the years following the uncondiditonal surrender in what would eventually become West Germany. (See also Eisenhower and German POWs).
    “ What is certain is that many more POWs and civilians suffered and perished than needed to in the aftermath of World War II, and that the victorious Allies were guided at least partly by a spirit of postwar vengeance in creating the circumstances that contributed to those deaths.[3] ”

    Soviet Union

    Hundreds of thousands of German Prisoners of War were kept in Soviet custody for 10 years after World War II. These were not repatriated until Konrad Adenauer went to Moscow in 1955 and urged their release. They, along with alleged German collaborators and other ethnic Germans, were imprisoned in Gulag concentration camps. The Volga German Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was abolished and Volga Germans were banished from their settlements on the Volga River with many being deported to Siberia or Kazakhstan. (see also Forced labor of Germans in the Soviet Union)

    In the dying days of the World War II and during the occupation of Germany, Soviet forces invaded German villages and raped German women en masse. It is believed by historian Antony Beevor that "a 'high proportion' of at least 15 million women who lived in the Soviet zone or were expelled from Germany's eastern provinces were raped."[4] Several thousand women committed suicide. On the final day of hostilities, 900 women in one village just east of Berlin took their children and drowned them in the river (followed by their own suicides) as soon as they heard the Russian guns coming. Although all militaries have histories of rape, the gang-raping of ordinary German women occurred with the approval of many district commanders. In all, only about 4,000 Soviet soldiers were ever punished for atrocities. (See also Red Army atrocities)

    Poland

    In the 18th century, the German states of Prussia and Austria participated in the Partitions of Poland, in which the historical Kingdom of Poland was erased from the map.

    Poland regained its independence only in 1919, when the Treaty of Versailles recreated country as the Second Polish Republic. However, minorities of Ethnic Germans remained in the territories of Poznań, West Prussia, Upper Silesia, and eastern Pomerania within Poland. In Poznań and eastern Pomerania, the number of German speaking citizens was 9% in 1931, and 6% in Upper Silesia.

    In 1939, the Germans exploited the fact that Poland contained ethnically German populations as a casus belli in order to justify their actions against the Polish Republic. In this, they were aided by a number of ethnic German Polish citizens who sympathised with Nazism.

    In Poland during the German occupation in World War II, the status of Volksdeutsche had many privileges but one big disadvantage: unlike Poles, Volksdeutsche were conscripted into the German army. The Volksliste (a list of peoples categorised according to Nazi philosophies of "racial purity") had 4 categories. No. 1 and No. 2 were considered ethnic Germans, while No. 3 and No. 4 were ethnic Poles that signed the Volksliste. No. 1 and No. 2 in the Polish areas annexed by Germany numbered ~1,000,000 and No. 3 and No. 4 ~1,700,000. In the General Government territory, there were about 120,000 Volksdeutsche.

    Volksdeutsche of Polish origins were treated by Poles with special contempt, and the fact of their having signed the Volksliste constituted high treason according to Polish law.

    German citizens that remained in the territory of Poland after World War II became as a group personae non gratae. They had the choice of either applying for Polish citizenship or being expelled to Germany. The property that belonged to Germans, German companies or the German state, was either transferred to Soviet Union or confiscated by the Polish state, along with many other properties in communist Poland. German owners, as explicitly stated by the law, were not eligible for any compensation. Those who decided to apply for compensation were subjected to a verification process. There were many acts of violence against Volksdeutsche.

    Czechoslovakia

    In the summer of 1945 there were a number of incidents and localised massacres of the German population.[5]

    The following examples are described in a study done by the European University Institute in Florence:[6]

    * In the Prerov incident, 71 men, 120 women and 74 children were killed.
    * 30,000 Germans were forced to leave their homes in Brno for labour camps near Austria. It is estimated that several hundred died in the death march.
    * Estimates of killed in the Ústí massacre range from 30 - 50 to 600 - 700 civilians. Some women and children were thrown off the bridge into the Elbe River and shot.

    Law No. 115 of 1946 (see Beneš decrees) providees: "Any act committed between September 30, 1938 and October 28, 1945, the object of which was to aid the struggle for liberty of the Czechs and Slovaks or which represented just reprisals for actions of the occupation forces and their accomplices, is not illegal, even when such acts may otherwise be punishable by law."

    As a consequence all atrocities committed during the expulsion of Germans were made legal, and since the law is still in effect no perpetrator has ever faced charges for his or her crimes during the expulsion.[7]

    Norway

    The children of Norwegian mothers and German soldiers were persecuted after the war, see War children.

    German POWs in Norway were forced to clear minefields and then walk over them, leading to the death and mutilation of hundreds of prisoners.

    Italy

    After the end of World War I, the German-speaking South Tyrol was included in the new boundaries of Italy. Following the rise of the Fascist movement of Mussolini, the ethnic Germans of this enclave faced growing persecution. Their names, and the names of the towns and places in the area, were forcibly changed to Italian. In addition, Mussolini engaged in a vigorous campaign to resettle ethnic Italians into the region. Many Tyroleans fled to Germany during this time, and the matter of South Tyrol became a source of friction between Hitler and Mussolini.

    After the end of World War II, the organised persecution of Germans in the South Tyrol largely came to an end, although ethnic strife continued for decades.

    United States

    During the 18th and 19th centuries, German-Americans were the most visible non-Anglophone group in the United States. Most Germans lived in Pennsylvania but German-language schools and German-language media were common throughout the Midwest, Mid-Atlantic and Southern states. Numerous incidents of hostility against these groups took place during the 19th century, but were largely non-systematic. The perceived anti-slavery position of Germans in the South did bring about violent clashes in slave states, such as Texas during the American Civil War.

    A source of particular tension was the presence of pacifist Mennonite and Amish communities, which spoke (and speak) a dialect of German called Pennsylvania Dutch. These communities attracted considerable hatred, particularly during the American Revolution and the US Civil War, when many Mennonites and possibly Amish were imprisoned or forcibly conscripted. Although most Germans were not Mennonites, this reinforced the popular view that Germans did not consider themselves part of America.

    Upon the outbreak of World War I, anti-German sentiment quickly reached a fever pitch. Many Germans supported their (former) homeland's side in the war, in which America long remained officially neutral. The portrayal of Germany as "The Hun" in British pro-war propaganda inflamed existing tensions. The situation came to a crisis with America's entry into the war in 1917. The period from 1917 to 1919 is regarded as the time when German-American ethnic identity came to an end. Anti-German rioting was widespread. Most German-language periodicals, which had numbered in the hundreds, ceased operation (many were destroyed). However, there are cases of towns where the residents spoke German on a daily basis and the local newspaper was in German at least as late as the 1950s. These towns were primarily in the Midwestern region of the United States. Many German-Americans translated their names or altered them to resemble English names (a trend which had begun in the 19th century, eg. Gustave Whitehead). By the time the US troops returned from Europe, the German community had ceased to be a major force in American culture, or was no more perceived as German (see Groucho Marx).

    When in France during World War I, members of the Yale University had learned about the German song Die Wacht am Rhein and were apparently shocked to discover the fact that Yale's traditional song "Bright College Years" had been written to the "splendid tune" of Karl Wilhelm. Suddenly hating this melody, Yale Alumni sang "Bright College Years" to the tune of the Marseillaise instead, and after the war the German melody was banned for some time until it was reinstated in 1920.[8]

    Today, many argue that the Germans are the one ethnic group that has been assimilated into American society. Largely for this reason, although some persecution of ethnic Germans did occur during World War II, it was not widespread. Most of the German-American population no longer identified themselves as German, nor were they identified with the Nazis in the popular mind. Despite this, the US government interned as dangerous nearly 11,000 persons of German ancestry. Only enemy aliens were supposed to be interned, but family members, many of them American citizens, often joined them in the camps.[9]

    Canada

    In Canada, thousands of German born Canadians were interned in detention camps during World War I and World War II and subjected to forced labour. Many Ukrainians and other Eastern Europeans were also detained during the World War I as were Japanese and Italian-Canadians during the World War II.

    Britain

    Germans were demonized in the press well before the World War I, e.g. when the Kaiserliche Marine started to challenge the Royal Navy, but particularly around 1912 and during World War I. Anti-German sentiment was so intense that the British Royal Family (which was of German origin) was advised by the government to change its name, resulting in the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha becoming the House of Windsor. On the other hand, Kaiser Wilhelm II was a grandson of Queen Victoria and the nephew of King Edward VII. The German Shepherd dog was renamed the Alsatian, which is the name under which this breed is still commonly known in Britain.

    References

    1. ^ War in History - Sign In Page
    2. ^ The campaign to sell a harsh peace for Germany to the American public, 1944–1948
    3. ^ Várdy, Steven Béla and Tooly, T. Hunt: Ethnic Cleansing in Twentieth-Century Europe Available as MS Word for Windows file (3.4 MB) (the result of the conference on Ethnic Cleansing in Twentieth Century Europe held at Duquesne University in November 2000.)
    4. ^ Berlin - The Downfall 1945 by Antony Beevor
    5. ^ Memories of World War II in the Czech Lands: the expulsion of Sudeten Germans by Brian Kenety, Radio Praha, 2005-04-14.
    6. ^ The Expulsion of 'German' Communities from Eastern Europe at the end of the Second World War, Steffen Prauser and Arfon Rees, European University Institute, Florense. HEC No. 2004/1
    7. ^ Legal opinion on Benes decrees
    8. ^ Old Yale: The Birth, Near-Demise, and Comeback of "Bright College Years" by Judith Ann Schiff, Yale Alumni Magazine December 1999.
    9. ^ WWII Violations of German American Civil Liberties by the US Government

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organis...ethnic_Germans

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    THE FORGOTTEN VICTIMS OF WWII


    Former Soviet war correspondent Natalya Gesse recalled: "The Russian soldiers were raping every German female from eight to 80... It was an army of rapists."

    As Author Antony Beevor put it,
    "If anything, the events of 1945 reveal how thin the veneer of civilization can be when there is little fear of retribution."

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    The American TV channel PBS (run by a mix of government, corporate donations, and private donations mostly from liberals) has introduced a documentary on this subject.

    Here, a rather critical review from a jewish newspaper, 'The New York Times':

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/06262008...war_117294.htm


    MEMBERS of the Greatest Generation - especially those with weak hearts - might want to steer clear of an upcoming PBS documentary that suggests the Allied victory in World War II was "tainted" and questions whether it can even be called a victory.

    Moreover, the documentary, titled "The War of the World: A New History of the 20th Century," asserts that the war could only be won by forming an unholy alliance with a dictator - Joseph Stalin, who was as brutal as the one they were fighting, Adolf Hitler - and by adopting the same "pitiless" and "remorseless" tactics practiced by the enemy.

    The three-part documentary is a companion to the best-selling book, "The War of the World: Twentieth Century Conflict and the Descent of the West" by Harvard and Oxford historian Niall Ferguson. The one-hour Part One of the documentary premieres Monday night at 10 on Ch. 13. The other two parts air the following two Mondays. World War II is the focus of Part Two.

    His thesis: Instead of looking at the 20th century as having been disrupted by two world wars with periods of relative peace before, between and after them, it is more appropriate to view much of the history of the century as a continuous bloody conflict that was interrupted occasionally for a few short, exhausted catnaps of relative calm.

    It is an illuminating viewpoint, and Ferguson does an effective job tying all of the century's mass deportations, enslavements, ethnic cleansings and genocides together so that you can't help being won over to his view that the violence of the 20th century was virtually never-ending.

    But it is Ferguson's revisionist view of the tactics applied by the Allies in World War II that is likely to raise the hackles of those who have always believed in the "necessity" of bombing German and Japanese civilians, culminating in the atomic attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, to end a war we did not start.

    "I think it's very hard for those who have imbibed the idea of a 'great generation' that what the Allies did to defeat the Axis was in some measure to adopt totalitarian tactics," Ferguson says in a Q&A on PBS's Web site.

    "The aim of strategic bombing was . . . in large measure to kill German civilians by destroying the most densely populated parts of the country. And it only really worked when the level of destruction reached apocalyptic levels. It behooves us all to stare this reality in the face, by trying to understand what it was like to be on the receiving end of firestorms like the ones that engulfed Hamburg or Dresden."

    And once again, it is demonstrated that nothing is sacred - not even World War II.
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    Developer unearths memories of banished German minority in Serbia

    SREMSKA MITROVICA, Serbia - When entrepreneur Mitar Tasovac purchased a long-abandoned factory intending to develop a housing complex on the site, he uncovered a chilling chapter of local history that had lain dormant for 60 years. After the Second World War, the sprawling complex on the outskirts of this northern Serbian town served as a prison camp for local Germans, and was where about 2,000 people died.

    Before the Nazi invasion in 1941, some 520,000 members of the minority lived in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, mainly in today's Serbia and Croatia. During the war, many joined the locally recruited 7th SS Volunteer Division Prinz Eugen, which murdered tens of thousands of Serbs, Jews and Gypsies.

    After the war, it was time for revenge.

    In just two years, about 300,000 ethnic Germans were herded by Yugoslav troops in dozens of internment camps before being deported. A similar number of ethnic Italians were also expelled from Croatia and Slovenia. "About 52,000 German civilians, mostly children, perished in various camps in Yugoslavia between 1945-47," said Hans Supritz, president of the Association of Danube Swabians in Germany.

    "We're not counting German soldiers, just innocent civilians who had in no way participated in the occupation," said Supritz, a retired engineer in Ulm. Most of the victims died of starvation, maltreatment or simply froze to death, he said. In the camp in Sremska Mitrovica, a farming town 80 kilometres west of Belgrade, any German civilians involved with the SS or those who had informed on their Serb and Jewish neighbours, were promptly executed. Others were used as forced labour before being deported to Germany or Austria.

    All told, about 12.5 million Germans were expelled from or fled eastern Europe when the Third Reich collapsed. The issue remains an occasional irritant in relations between Germany and nations that suffered under Nazi occupation. The horrors the ethnic Germans underwent were long a taboo topic in Yugoslavia, where official propaganda ignored the painful past by claiming they had fled together with retreating Nazi forces in 1945.

    Decades later, it was Tasovac's plan to build homes on the prison camp site that sparked media attention and encouraged a citizens group, the Serb-German Cooperation Society, to press municipal officials to finally honour the dead. "Most of those buried at this site were children and there can be no harm in marking their grave," said Jovica Stevic, vice-president of the society.

    Stevic, 42, recalls stories about starving German kids sneaking out through the barbed wire and begging for food on the streets of Sremska Mitrovica. The children would place white pebbles in front of homes where they had received food. With black pebbles, they would mark houses where inhabitants beat them or returned them to the guards, Stevic said.

    Stevic said municipal authorities recently granted permission for a monument to be built to commemorate the ethnic Germans who once lived in the suburb of Hesna, formerly known as Hessendorf, where the camp was located. The unveiling ceremony is planned for fall.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Siebenbürgerin View Post
    Assault on East Prussia
    The East Prussian Germans were victims. Not only victims of the Russians, but also victims of the National Socialist megalomania. Banning East Prussians from fleeing the imminent Soviet attack was an atrocity. Hitler and the National Socialists are responsible for forcing these poor people to confront an enemy that was far superior in number and ammunition. They are also responsible for the deaths of East Prussian women and children. It is not surprising that they had to get a National Socialist drunk to sign an approval for fleeing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    The East Prussian Germans were victims. Not only victims of the Russians, but also victims of the National Socialist megalomania. Banning East Prussians from fleeing the imminent Soviet attack was an atrocity. Hitler and the National Socialists are responsible for forcing these poor people to confront an enemy that was far superior in number and ammunition. They are also responsible for the deaths of East Prussian women and children.
    I wouldn't blame National-Socialists in General. But the NSDAP-Gauleiter from Danzig Albert Forster because he believed Hitler when he said he would rescue Danzig, and of course Hitler is to blame too. Not all East-Prussians weren't allowed to flee to Germany. Many East-Prussians could flee and the most of them fled and did not care what any National-Socialists said in this Time, they wanted to stay alive so they ignored any insane Commands and fled.


    There are numerous good Books and Documentaries about this Subject with Germans of this Time being interviewed.




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