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Thread: Why Are German-Americans Not Considered "Volksdeutsche"? / German-Americans and Their Lack of Interest in Their Roots

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    Re: On "German-Americans"

    Although one enjoys a certain degree of increased freedom in the Free Speech forum, personal attacks are still against the rules. Perhaps those of you interested in fighting could take some time to calm down and view things objectively so that you can keep your fight focused on topics rather than one another.

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    I do have a German sir name. My ancestors are German on my father's side. They were among the settlers of America in the early 18th century. They assimulated to the WASP ethic which is the true American ethic.

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    Re: On "German-Americans"

    Quote Originally Posted by Daglaf
    I do have a German sir name. My ancestors are German on my father's side. They were among the settlers of America in the early 18th century. They assimulated to the WASP ethic which is the true American ethic.
    Why do you think that you have to pretend to be Anglo-Saxon simply to be American? That's something I never understood, maybe you can explain it to me.

    As for what you said earlier, I can see that you weren't presuming anything, because you were writing about yourself. At least part of it was true. Is it the fear of being rootless that inspires your beliefs?

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    Re: On "German-Americans"

    Hmmm...I think I've read all 7 pages of this thread. Again, race is more important than language or "citizenship."

    Tend to disagree with Thumelicus and Zyklops unfortunately. Zyklops in a previous post (not sure about the thread) claims that the USA is primarily Germanic in ethnic origin yet has been at war with Germany. Let's see, on December 7th, 1941, the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor and America declared war on the Japanese NOT Germany. Roosevelt would have had a VERY difficult time convincing Congress to declare war on Germany due to a Japanese attack. So...if the US was primarily Germanic, why did the Fuhrer declare war on a nation that was primarily Germanic (stated by Zyklop) without any direct declaration of war by the US against Germany or any direct attack against Germany by the US? I love the Fuhrer, but what did he expect a primarily Germanic nation to do when another Germanic nation declares war against it? Should the US have just said "We surrender" immediately? That would NOT have been very Germanic or heroic (same thing in my opinion) at all.

    I'm sorry but there were several wars between Austria and Germany over the course of the past few centuries, but does that mean Austria is not German?!?! So the USA and Germany have been at war with each other...who cares? Does that make one less "Germanic" than the other? Not hardly... Sorry to state it, and don't mean to sound like a 3-year old, but in regards to WWII - "You (Germany) started it" in regards to the USA. If the Fuhrer hadn't declared war against the US, it would have been the US battling it out with the Japanese in the Pacific and Britain & Russia battling it out with Germany in the European theater. Not our (American) fault for our siding with the Allies in WWII. What were we suppose to do? Germany forced the US to side with the Allies by declaring war against it. Lie down and "take it" when declared war upon by our Fatherland? Sorry, but declaring war against the US was one of the Fuhrer's few mistakes. It may have cost him the war, unfortunately. He himself said at the end of his life that Germany was the weaker as they lost and that the German nation deserved to perish as a result. I don't agree with that. However, the only reason the USA and Britain "won" was that they are Aryan nations as well. Plus the Fuhrer took on too many nations at once. If he had just been fighting a conglomeration of Slavic or Latin nations, he may still have won despite being outnumbered. But you don't declare war against another hugely industrialized "fellow-Aryan" nation when they haven't directly attacked you, especially if you state in Mein Kampf that the Kaiser's mistake in WWI was antagonizing the US!!! Again, WWI - Germany is sinking American ships on a regular basis...are we German-Americans just suppose to ignore it and say "Oh, well, the Fatherland is sinking our ships so...well, it's the Fatherland so I guess we'll have put up with it..." Is it German just to "take it?" No...

    Again, do the anti-Americans on this board view Austrians the same as Americans then? As aforementioned, Austria and Germany have been at war several times so does that mean Austrians are not German? Guess Hitler wasn't German than since he was Austrian. And Alfred Rosenberg (whom Zyklop quotes on his posts) was a Balt so he must not be German either... "Gott im himmel!" The Fuhrer not a German by Thumelicus and Zykops standards and neither the official philosopher of the NSDAP (Rosenberg) a German either by their standards... Sad...

    By the way...currently reading "The Myth of the 20th Century." Awesome book (so far). Have read several excerpts in "The Philosophy of Alfred Rosenberg" translated by James Whisker. Now reading the whole text. I'm not "disrespecting" either Thumelicus or Zyklop...just hoping they will come around to the "racialist" point of view instead of the "nationalist" point of view. I would think the Austrian-German argument would work...we'll see.

    I've droned on enough now...probably in hopelessness. As I mentioned before, Germans, Austrians, German-Americans, any Aryan should be "getting along" not arguing... I've been surprised by this forum. It's like "German-Americans" vs. "German nationalists." I don't know...of course, I've only been exploring topics interesting to me...maybe I got into the wrong threads.

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    Re: On "German-Americans"

    The biggest problem FDR had was that the American people did not want to go to war with Germany. Opinion polls all reflected this before Pearl Harbor. My own relatives told me this and they lived through the period.

    The big problem was the Germany-Japan alliance. Germany wanted Japan to help with the Soviets and Japan wanted Germany to help with the Americans. Each viewed the alliance through a different lense. Japan pulled the trigger first and got the better of the deal. Hitler was bound by treaty and honor. Both fought to the end. Both countries, to this day, consider the other a worthy ally.

    Americans of German ancestry had no problem fighting the Japanese. If they had mixed feelings about the Germans, they were reminded that the Germans declared war on America.

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    Re: On "German-Americans"

    Comrades,




    Americans of German ancestry had no problem fighting the Japanese. If they had mixed feelings about the Germans, they were reminded that the Germans declared war on America.

    Some might regard the innitiation of the lend/lease programme by Mr. Rooseveldt as the opening volley in establishing formal hostilities between the U.S. and the Reich.
    I'm one of them.

    Also it was the U.S. that militarily forced the empire of Japan to open up it's closed, xenophobic society to western economic imperialism in 1853-54, setting in motion the unprecedented social and technological revolution enabling and resulting in Japans agressive militaristic adventures of the ensuing century.

    In effect the chickens came home to roost but as we all know;
    history is always written by the victor.



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    Re: On "German-Americans"

    Quote Originally Posted by GermanBund
    So...if the US was primarily Germanic, why did the Fuhrer declare war on a nation that was primarily Germanic (stated by Zyklop) without any direct declaration of war by the US against Germany or any direct attack against Germany by the US?
    America's deeds did clearly show that they were against Germany, and this is the whole argument, because as a result they were not german (different to germanic).

    Quote Originally Posted by GermanBund
    I'm sorry but there were several wars between Austria and Germany over the course of the past few centuries, but does that mean Austria is not German?!?!
    You know there are actually germans who fought germans in Germany

    The Austrian-German war (also referred to as just German War), was very different. They didn't stab each other in the back, and we treated them (us ) very well, Germany didn't destroy the Austrian Empire as you might know, btw how many German-Austrian Wars do you know?

    Quote Originally Posted by GermanBund
    But you don't declare war against another hugely industrialized "fellow-Aryan" nation when they haven't directly attacked you,
    What being allied means, seems allien to most americans.

    Quote Originally Posted by GermanBund
    As I mentioned before, Germans, Austrians, German-Americans, any Aryan should be "getting along" not arguing.
    It's just a question of who is german, I can respect an english man, or any germanic man, equally to germans, but "German"-Americans are in a special situation, and they should ei ther consider themselves as american or german, if they want to be german that is.

    Quote Originally Posted by GermanBund
    .. I've been surprised by this forum. It's like "German-Americans" vs. "German nationalists." I don't know...of course, I've only been exploring topics interesting to me...maybe I got into the wrong threads.
    They are just two threads I think, they should be partly merged
    And I actually think this is quite a bit confusing now, since we have more or less the same discussion in two threads, and you should read both of my responses

    [edit]I fixed some typos, and rephrased some minor things[/edit]
    Last edited by Jäger; Thursday, May 4th, 2006 at 11:52 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumelicus
    Why do you think that you have to pretend to be Anglo-Saxon simply to be American? That's something I never understood, maybe you can explain it to me.

    As for what you said earlier, I can see that you weren't presuming anything, because you were writing about yourself. At least part of it was true. Is it the fear of being rootless that inspires your beliefs?
    The Anglo-Saxon is German also. So it was easy to assimulate to the ethic of another German people to establish one nation, one people, one Republic. This has worked very well for us ( with the exception of our war for Southern Independence ) up to the 1960s.

    This thread is an extremely important thread. Unity between all German peoples worldwide is very important for our survival.

    It is my firm belief that we need to get beyond nationality that divides us and unite in accordance with the ancient bonds of kinship that we all share.
    WW2 was a huge tragedy. Something even close to that cannot happen between us again. That is why race awareness is so very important.
    Those people who survived in what is Europe in the Paleo and Neolithic times. These are our ancestors. They are what we all have in common. This is what can and must unite us. This is kinship at a much higher level than nationality. We all need to learn to listen to the voices of our ancestors.

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    AW: Re: On "German-Americans"

    Quote Originally Posted by GermanBund
    I'm sorry but there were several wars between Austria and Germany over the course of the past few centuries [...].
    What were the "wars between Austria and Germany"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger
    The Austrian-German war (also referred to as just German War), was very different.
    The war of 1866 was anyway "the Prussian-Austrian War", "the German-German War", or, as you pointed out already, "the German War", but the designation as an "Austrian-German war" would be new and make no sense at all. It was an inner German war about inner German affairs. Formally Austria acted in the name of the German Confederation against Prussia, and on Austria's side were, among others, Bavaria, Württemberg, Baden, and Hannover.

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    AW: Re: On "German-Americans"

    Quote Originally Posted by GermanBund
    Zyklops in a previous post (not sure about the thread) claims that the USA is primarily Germanic in ethnic origin yet has been at war with Germany. Let's see, on December 7th, 1941, the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor and America declared war on the Japanese NOT
    Germany....
    Wow, what a crazy post. Before I go on, are you aware of the American militaristic support for Great Britain before the declaration of war? And to go back further, are you aware that WW2 is just the continuation of WW1 and the treaty of Versailles?
    And Alfred Rosenberg (whom Zyklop quotes on his posts) was a Balt so he must not be German either... "Gott im himmel!" The Fuhrer not a German by Thumelicus and Zykops standards and neither the official philosopher of the NSDAP (Rosenberg) a German either by their standards... Sad...
    Alfred Rosenberg was an ethnic German from the Baltic and identified as such. That´s exactly what I addressed in my initial post. You are a liar.
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