View Poll Results: Hyphenated Americans: Valid, or Invalid?

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  • I am AMERICAN and believe this notion is VALID.

    91 44.39%
  • I am EUROPEAN and believe this notion is VALID.

    30 14.63%
  • I am AMERICAN and believe this notion is INVALID.

    76 37.07%
  • I am EUROPEAN and believe this notion is INVALID.

    16 7.80%
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    Im America "Whiteness" as an identity is mostly post-WW2. German-Americans bombed Father Coughlin's funeral, I believe. Anti-ommigration screeds also spoke of "non-assimilable Whites" rather than assuming all whites equal and interchangable. (Mind you the early naturalisation laws expressly considered Moors from Morocco as White, though at the time the concern was still assimilability or otherwise to an Anglo founding stock.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coillearnach View Post
    Yes, I am. It's European aliens that systematically erode ethnic identity by their very presence, let alone grandiose patriotic LARPing like this, that allow the door to be opened for ever more exotic non-European hordes. "See, our country didn't fall apart when we let in these people, this group is only a little bit farther afield than that" and so on and so on until you don't have a nation anymore.
    This is absolutely true. It's a perfect example of a slippery slope scenario. In America, we started out with just Dutch and English people, and a few Swedes and Finns from New Sweden. There was some conflict between them as national powers, but once the English won that one, the Dutch and Swedes were certainly not very foreign, so assimilated well. Next came the Scots and Scots-Irish, who assimilated pretty well also. Next came the Germans, mainly Amish, who settled in Pennsylvania and kept mostly to themselves. So here we are with a few different groups, all protestant and Germanic, with very similar cultures and ideas about what is right and wrong. If there had been no other groups arriving, this would have evolved into nationhood, like the Boers and Icelanders did. But then the Irish came. The Irish were different. Poor, Catholic, and with a built-in animosity for the English. At the same time, many English looked down upon them for all these reasons. This was also the time of the Mexican war, so the nice little homogeneous Germanic America became a little bit multicultural. Then the Southern and Eastern Europeans arrived, though the Eastern Europeans were not really Europeans, since most were Jews. Then we got some Asians, and now it's Indians. It just gets a little bit worse each time, until you realize what a complete mess you have, and it's not a nation with a culture anymore, just an economic convenience with no real soul.
    Most people think as they are trained to think, and most people make a majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coillearnach View Post
    Yes, I am. It's European aliens that systematically erode ethnic identity by their very presence, let alone grandiose patriotic LARPing like this, that allow the door to be opened for ever more exotic non-European hordes. "See, our country didn't fall apart when we let in these people, this group is only a little bit farther afield than that" and so on and so on until you don't have a nation anymore.
    Agree. Countries of southern Europe are the front-line against the non-european invasion of Europe. Should they not even bother then since they're all wogs? I guess the front line then should be the French and Swiss alps....

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    Come on, are you really that thick? This is like saying someone is a White supremacist and wants every other race to die because they want to preserve their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarsOsix View Post
    If you're born to Danish parents - newflash - you're not American.
    That's news to me. I'm born to German parents, but I'm as American as you can get. Howdy.

    And when I say German, I mean German proper, not your "German-American" folks who don't speak German, got a German great grandfather and a German shepherd.

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    Nonsense, I disagree on all accounts. It’s your Sicilian bias speaking.
    Has the US ever had an Italian American president?
    The fact that these terms (Italian American etc.) exist indicate they are socially potent. I suppose you think The Sopranos and Jersey Shore depict a group without social potency.

    It is also in contrast to my experience from visiting the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gefjon View Post
    That's news to me. I'm born to German parents, but I'm as American as you can get.
    Well, that’s not really up to you to decide though, no? Generally speaking, I’m not saying you actually aren’t culturally American, I couldn’t judge that anyway, identity is not so much only about what you feel/think you are but what others, in this case, "old-Americans", see you as.

    Second-generation immigrants basically always differ from the host culture, even if it’s related, due to the still somewhat differing concepts and values they inevitably learned from their parents, who have grown up in a different culture.
    I could imagine that’s especially the case when moving from continental Europe to an Anglo-dominated culture like in the USA.


    Generally speaking, hyphenated Americanism, or similar things in other nations, are basically just a lesser form of multiculturalism. In an ideal world a nation would be homogenous and immigrants from related peoples would try as much as possible to assimilate. Even if that is only likely for the third-generation, for the aforementioned reasons.
    I can actually see where the Nativists of the 19th century where coming from, in this respect.

    On the other hand, realistically, nowadays “American” is just a citizenship devoid of ethnic meaning, because anyone from anywhere, any people and any race can become American. By expressing yourself merely as such, other people, outside Skadi, could assume you feel kinship with all other "Americans".

    In this state of affairs, hyphenated Americanism could actually be a chance for those people still conscious of their ethnic/racial identity.
    But what exactly the specific label for Germanic Americans should/could be, I don't know. 99% of people outside of Skadi probably wouldn't know what to do with the term "Germanic American" itself.
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    A lot of this is actually covered by much more mainstream right-wing commentators like Ann Coulter in Adios America and Vox Day in Cuckservative.

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    I have mixed feelings about the matter. Hyphenated Americanism wouldn't be a big problem if the ethnicities involved were closely related, for example Germanic only.
    The problem becomes bigger when too many unrelated and exotic ethnicities are assimilated. It starts for example with South and Eastern Europeans, and becomes a slippery slope: e.g. if we take Greeks we also take Turks, MENAs, and the like.
    Originally, America was a WASP, or at most Germanic settlement. And it looks that Germanic ethnicities assimilated better than others. An example of assimilation en masse was the German ethnicity. Despite Germans being one of the most numerous ethnic groups in America, most of them have integrated well, anglicised their names, contributed in all areas of life, etc.
    On the other hand, it's also understandable if immigrants want to keep a connection with their home country. If you think about out countries, we also have different regions with different cultures, dialects and so on. So in a hypothetically pure Germanic America, it wouldn't be a big issue if German Americans, Scandinavian Americans or Dutch Americans still held onto part of their roots. The question is, what kind of person would be someone who is born to Danish or German parents in America? They're not real Danes or Germans, and some Americans might say they're not real Americans either. It could lead to an identity crisis, not being accepted by either party, not being a real anything. So hyphenated Americanism can create this identity.

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    Hyphenated Americanism is intrinsically divisive. I never say I'm German-American, or European-American unless I'm specifically speaking about my ethnic background. Ideally, the two wouldn't be separate, but in the "Empire of Nothing" racial identity is brushed under the rug for the sake of remaining inclusive. Until of course racial strife erupts and people stop pretending to not see inherent racial bias.

    There's a strange existentialism that arises when considering this question. I am of course American, but this isn't a point of pride or self-identity, just a matter of fact. I don't consider myself American foremost because the term is applied to anyone who happens to be standing within the borders. This notion has spread to Europe as well.

    I am racially European but wasn't born or live in Europe. I can't call myself European for this very fact.

    The US will undergo some fundamental changes to self-identity in the coming century when more and more of its territory become brown, speaks Spanish/Chinese/Arabic/Ebonic, and all things considered ceases to be America proper. White/European-Americans will face a question of changing how they associate or be folded along with the growing mass of beige.
    America is WASP, take that aspect away and you have the schismatic nature of hyphenated Americanism.

    See Jack Donovan's "Becoming a Barbarian" for a more in depth view that I share regarding Identity and the Great Erasure.

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