View Poll Results: Hyphenated Americans: Valid, or Invalid?

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  • I am AMERICAN and believe this notion is VALID.

    91 44.39%
  • I am EUROPEAN and believe this notion is VALID.

    30 14.63%
  • I am AMERICAN and believe this notion is INVALID.

    76 37.07%
  • I am EUROPEAN and believe this notion is INVALID.

    16 7.80%
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    No Actually in Australia we call Southern Italians, Greeks and anyone else swarthy like that a wog. A Greek Australian even made a movie called "Wog Boy" that pokes fun at it.

    Actually even my Grandma was called a wog for not speaking English on the school bus back in the '50s.

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    Wog is a word used in England too ie. "all wogs begin at Calais".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coillearnach View Post
    What does this prove? It's like throwing up a picture of a Sikh Tory.
    Comparing Sikhs to fellow Europeans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sawyer View Post
    No Actually in Australia we call Southern Italians, Greeks and anyone else swarthy like that a wog. A Greek Australian even made a movie called "Wog Boy" that pokes fun at it.

    Actually even my Grandma was called a wog for not speaking English on the school bus back in the '50s.
    What language was she speaking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catterick View Post
    Wog is a word used in England too ie. "all wogs begin at Calais".
    What about the Black Irish? Where do they fit?

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    The word "wog" comes from "golliwog", I figured y'all would know without an American telling you.

    The term originally referred to blacks. Any use to refer to MENAs or Southern Europeans just comes by attempted analogy - "you people are relatively darker, ergo you are like blacks!"

    So I'm sure you could use it to refer to Italians. You could use it to refer to French if you really wanted to. Maybe if you're Swedish, you can use it to refer to the English. Hell, who knows.

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    This isn't a recent phenomenon, it's a term that's been in use for a long time here and in England. It's like swarthy, where the root is the same as the German "schwarz", meaning black, but swarthy has come to refer to anything or anyone with an olive complexion or darker.

    And my Grandma was speaking her native Swiss-German dialect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasa View Post
    Comparing Sikhs to fellow Europeans?
    Yes, I am. It's European aliens that systematically erode ethnic identity by their very presence, let alone grandiose patriotic LARPing like this, that allow the door to be opened for ever more exotic non-European hordes. "See, our country didn't fall apart when we let in these people, this group is only a little bit farther afield than that" and so on and so on until you don't have a nation anymore.

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    Though I get chided on this forum for "pan-Aryan leanings", what Coillearnach said is historically correct: in Australia the influx of Greeks and Lebanese preceded the East Asians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coillearnach View Post
    Yes, I am. It's European aliens that systematically erode ethnic identity by their very presence, let alone grandiose patriotic LARPing like this, that allow the door to be opened for ever more exotic non-European hordes. "See, our country didn't fall apart when we let in these people, this group is only a little bit farther afield than that" and so on and so on until you don't have a nation anymore.
    You're joking, right? There's nothing LARPy about this whatsoever. Exactly the opposite - my point is that most far-fetched [European ethnicity]-American identities aren't significant (barring the first or second generation). There are a few components to this.

    1. They are not politically potent - the idea of any of these groups politically organizing, even implicitly, is absurd.
    2. They are not socially potent - growing up in an area which had large populations of people with Anglo, German, Irish, and Italian blood, I can tell you - there is no real conscious awareness of this most of the time. None. Unless you're bringing up factoids about your family history.
    3. They are not reproductively potent - if you are someone who is "Italian-American" as a factoid of your family history, you aren't really any more likely to marry or reproduce with another such person except to the extent that such people are present in your geographical area.

    On the other hand, "whiteness" is politically and socially potent. That white people implicitly politically organize is self-evident and obvious, and that they still tend to be endogamous is also so. This is descriptively what defines ethnicity if we really want to look at it from the most objective angle - ergo, white Americans are functionally one ethnicity.

    Again, I've made no argument for allowing European immigration - it isn't preferable in the first instance. Nor for allowing any other sort. The extent to which this would be negative runs a spectrum. Allowing non-NW European immigration in the first instance was a mistake, but at this point pretending to be a member of the Know Nothing Party in the 19th century is pure LARPing.
    "Considering your specific duty as a kshatriya, you should know that there is no better engagement for you than fighting on religious principles[...] either you will be killed on the battlefield and attain the heavenly planets, or you will conquer and enjoy the earthly kingdom. Therefore get up and fight with determination. Do thou fight for the sake of fighting, without considering happiness or distress, loss or gain, victory or defeat--and, by so doing, you shall never incur sin."

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    She's talking about Australia. The die has already been cast with America. Australia hasn't totally gone down that route yet. These groups are still mostly the "others" there, thank God.

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