View Poll Results: Are Germans and Austrians the same ethnically, culturally, etc.?

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    As a matter of fact Austrians are a German tribe. It had always been and will always be like that. Ethnic differences between Austrians and Germans in the BRD are not genuine and only orchestrated by the winners of WW II and their running dogs.
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    I've seen the question of a German-Austrian unification several times on Quora. For example this thread: If today Germany asked Austria to join it, what would be the reaction of most Austrians?

    I find Quora an interesting source because it gets perspective from local peoples. Here for example what some users from Austria writes:

    Easy answer: Almost nobody would be happy about that. Our bureaucracy functions in a slightly different way than the German one.

    Manners are a little different too. Ours probably seem long-winded to the Germans, whereas theirs seem blunt and often downright impolite to us.

    There are also political issues. There is a German kind of idealism. Some see it as hypocrisy. A habit of interfering with other people’s affairs “for their own good”. Most Austrians don’t really understand that.

    Austrians on the right would not be happy to be governed by crazy Leftists. Austrians on the left would not be happy either, as it reminds them of pan-German nationalism in the 19th an early 20th century.

    Not to forget the language barrier: Most Germans speak Standard German. Most Austrians speak local dialects. While Germans are better at making their point in Standard German, this language (especially the way they use it in the mass media) has the charm of a deep-frozen pizza.

    We’d rather merge with the Czechs, the Slovenians, the Croatians, the Slovaks and the Hungarians - if they ever wish to be governed from Vienna again. ;-)
    LOL - Rejection!!!
    After the end of the Austrian-Hungarian and the German Empire a group of people/politicians in both countries wanted to merge the German speaking territories of Europe into one country. It was part of a nationalist movement. Just like the Czech wanted their own country, the Hungarians, the Romanians, and others.

    Austria and Germany never had a single common ruler. Germany and Austria may speak the same language (well, mostly…) but that’s about it.

    We’ve had different rulers, different laws, fought oneanother in various wars and the forced unification in the middle of the last century was not welcomed by the population and would not be now.

    Right after the end of the first world war in 1918 Austria lost a large part of its territory. Austrians were worried. Would they be able to survive without the corn from Rumania? The Danube, the largest river runs through all these countries where there would be borders now. How would trade go?

    They felt like a body with cut off limbs.

    The answer to their fears was to unite with Germany. But that failed miserably.

    I wish you well, dear Germans. Let’s stay friends in different countries.
    It’s hard to say. If you are in favour of a merging with Germany or Austria, then you will be branded as far right or Nazi. Therefore, noone openly states that he/she is in favor of a unification. This propaganda was part of the “reeducation of the German people” by the United States and its allies after WW2. In the end, I don’t even think that a unification would be possible because it would be opposed by the neighbouring European countries, in particular France, the UK and others.
    Completely ridiculous. But if it would happen, the Piefkes (that’s what we call the Germans) would drive us completely crazy with their prussian correct- and stiffness as well as we would make them mad with our laid-back ‘lässigkeit’ (coolness).

    There was a reason why German speaking area has always been a mosaic of different countries.

    Honestly, I’d rather join any other neighbouring country but Germany, even Liechtenstein. Sorry, Germans!
    It seems to me like Austrians like to have an own identity, which may be a result of political changes.

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    I think they are ethnically and culturally the same. There are many German "tribes" like Saxons, Bavarians, Swaebish, Frisians etc. And Austrians are one or more German tribes.

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    Am not sure , if the "Germans" are all Germanic , since the occupation of Poland back in the 19th century .
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    An interesting article about the Austrian identity:

    German Austrians or Austrian Germans?

    The ‘Austrian identity’ of the German-speaking subjects of the Habsburg Monarchy was an intractably problematic phenomenon that is best described in terms of a ‘double identity’.

    The development of an Austrian identity had its origins in the dynastic policy of the House of Habsburg that brought into being the complex known as the Austrian hereditary lands. After having initially been a somewhat fortuitous conglomeration of territories bound together only by a common ruling house, the hereditary lands developed in the course of the centuries into the core of the multi-ethnic Habsburg Monarchy.

    From the eighteenth century onwards the Austrian lands experienced an independent cultural development that was strongly influenced by the unification programmes pursued under Maria Theresa and Joseph II, whose intention was to turn their heterogeneous patchwork of dominions into a unified Austrian state. In the process, Austrian cultural development was greatly influenced by the close contacts the German language group had with the other ethnic groups of the Habsburg Monarchy. The Austrian Germans were a special case in the overall context of German rise to nationhood.

    This scenario also provides us with a clue to the inner dilemma of the German-Austrians in the nineteenth century. While the German rise to nationhood was generally characterized by a conflict between strong regional identities (Prussian, Saxon, Bavarian, Swabian etc.) and the feeling of belonging to the German nation in the cultural sense of the word, the conflict was even more complicated in the case of the German-Austrians. As well as being pulled in two directions by their regional identity (Tyrolean, Viennese, German-Bohemian, Danube Swabian or whatever) and their feeling of attachment to the ‘deutsche Nation’ as a whole, they were also – in their own eyes at least – the ‘people of state’ and upholders of the whole idea of the Habsburg Monarchy.

    The Austrian identity was put to a severe test in 1871 when a unified German nation-state was founded in the form of the German Reich – without the Austrian Germans. The ‘Austriandom’ that was subsequently developed as a conscious alternative to the ‘Germandom’ of the Reich was marked by a strange mixture of a proud (and at times somewhat pathetic) insistence on Austria’s leading position in the German-speaking world and a feeling of having been excluded that was compounded by a certain inferiority complex in the face of the dynamic development of the young and vigorous German nation-state.

    The quest for Austrian identity was made even more problematic by the successful emancipation and self-confident political representation of the other nationalities of the multi-ethnic Monarchy, which the German-Austrians perceived as a threat. Around 1900, the challenges to their hegemony in the state led to a strengthening of German nationalism and a weakening of Habsburg-Austrian patriotism. The change of identity from Austrian to German often took place very rapidly and in many cases was experienced as being something in the nature of a personal conversion.

    At the outbreak of war in 1914 the state attempted to harness a revival of ‘Austriandom’ to the bandwagon of chauvinistic patriotic euphoria. One symbolic expression of this endeavour was the decree of 1915 introducing ‘Austria’ as the official designation for Cisleithania. Similarly, special emphasis was now laid on what was ‘Austrian’ in art and culture; the sense of Austrian identity was fostered by the drawing up of a canon of typically Austrian phenomena, notably Catholicism and loyalty to the Habsburg dynasty; and epochs and styles such as the Baroque and the Biedermeier were labelled as the classic expressions of Austriandom, with – in a tendency that was to continue long after the fall of the Habsburg Monarchy – Austrian music being regarded as the indisputable crowning glory of the European musical tradition.
    https://ww1.habsburger.net/en/chapte...strian-germans

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