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    Wink The State vs. the Market

    Nowadays, we can see our political authorities irremediable pollute by ideas radically pro-market, as translation, state slowly abdicates voluntary from his sovereignty.

    Multinationals seduce by vast areas (almost) unexplored, and sheltered by fossilized laws subtract to the state sensible areas – as health, education, electric services etc – perhaps whit disastrous consequences.

    How does democracy works while the power of state its practical null? It doesn’t. We have a virtual state! And just work as political instrument used by the forces that dominate the market.

    Formulations pro-market are offensively radical that in near future we could testify a spectacular decline of democratic ideals and social conflicts. Although, we already can see today, that the fight for individual passions had acquire a statute of dominant ideology, as corollary, will us see, one day, the hand all mighty and invisible from the market replacing the state?

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    Great post. I don't see the market replacing the state any time soon, at least not in the USA; it is more like the state replacing the market.

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    ...all this anti-capitalist sentiment reeks of the mob

    Democracy - Coerced Egalitarian populism.

    Free market - Individualised free choice and hierarchy established from perceived economic value.

    I know which one i'd prefer.

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    "Democracy - Coerced Egalitarian populism."


    I think you’re confusing socialism whit democracy. However, I understand, today, the left-wing, seeks to create a simulacrum of relationship between booth


    "Free market - Individualised free choice and hierarchy established from perceived economic value."


    uh … Your candid and enlighten “free” market its destroying the state. All of them. Well, almost all of them. While the market drains all attributions of the state – therefore his sovereignty – the state will be reduce into a symbolic organism, without any function.

    We can’t afford his absence. Per example: How could exist a judicial system impartial without a presence of a strong state? … what entity will guarantee basic services? ... perhaps, a big corporation. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by THobbes

    uh … Your candid and enlighten “free” market its destroying the state. All of them. Well, almost all of them. While the market drains all attributions of the state – therefore his sovereignty – the state will be reduce into a symbolic organism, without any function.
    I suppose that coming from a Nietzschean position(at least I suppose from his avatar) makes him support some form of Anarcho-Aristocracy supported by or supportive of an Anarcho-Capitalist or Laissez-Faire Capitalist (whatever you want to call it).

    I do not find Nietzsche's Philosophy as compatible with Statism, in fact one cannot be a Statist and subscribe to Nietzsche's Philosophy in full, only bits and pieces could be taken.

    My Economic views are somewhat in development, but I definitely support the intervention of the State in the Economy, and I ascribe to the State an active role in Economic practices without stifling the Economy (ideally), possibly State Enterprises could also apply the Capitalistic policy (or goal) of Profit-Maximisation, but this probably should only be applied to Secondary Services.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edric
    I suppose that coming from a Nietzschean position(at least I suppose from his avatar) makes him support some form of Anarcho-Aristocracy supported by or supportive of an Anarcho-Capitalist or Laissez-Faire Capitalist (whatever you want to call it).

    I do not find Nietzsche's Philosophy as compatible with Statism, in fact one cannot be a Statist and subscribe to Nietzsche's Philosophy in full, only bits and pieces could be taken.

    My Economic views are somewhat in development, but I definitely support the intervention of the State in the Economy, and I ascribe to the State an active role in Economic practices without stifling the Economy (ideally), possibly State Enterprises could also apply the Capitalistic policy (or goal) of Profit-Maximisation, but this probably should only be applied to Secondary Services.
    Heh, your pretty spot on about my views. If you want to see the ultimate nietzschean political philosophy this is probably it http://www.promethea.org/

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    Quote Originally Posted by THobbes
    I think you’re confusing socialism whit democracy.
    I don't think so.
    In a democratic paradigm, government is established through free suffrage/equal valuation of voting without any regard to worth or importance. Thus it is anti-hierarchy and pro (unaccountable) inclusivity. If anything socialism is more true to democracy than todays liberal democracies are. Socialism just takes the basic tenets of governmental democracy and enforces it onto the private sector aswell.
    Last edited by Nihilist; Thursday, November 6th, 2003 at 02:02 PM.

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    All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream at night, in the dusky recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dreams, with open eyes, to make it possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilist
    Heh, your pretty spot on about my views. If you want to see the ultimate nietzschean political philosophy this is probably it http://www.promethea.org/
    The link doesn't seem to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edric
    The link doesn't seem to work.
    http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=e...a.org%2F&meta=

    If that doesn't work, just type the address in google.

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