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  • The son of God who died on the cross for the sins of mankind

    16 41.03%
  • One of several prophets or messengers of God

    3 7.69%
  • A Jewish revolutionary figure executed for his controversial ideas

    13 33.33%
  • I don't care who he was

    5 12.82%
  • A fairy tale, he never existed

    6 15.38%
  • Undecided

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Koos View Post
    ...but oh well, we gotta go with the light we have, right?)
    Right!

    And sorry about the sloppiness above. I don't know why I went off on "Roman this" and "Roman that". Moving too fast, I guess. Next time I'll read a little more closely.

    Back to the creeds, and dogma (or "truth by decree"): My problem with creeds is the common way they are taught and used. In several decades of interactions with various churches, I haven't heard as much "this is why that council of bishops decided this was true and that was not" as I have heard "this is true because this or that council of bishops said it was". It's the old, parental "because I said so". It changes the Prime Directive of the church from "loving each other" (something pretty important to Jesus) to "defending the traditions of my group" (something Jesus generally preached against).

    To misquote Anatole France, "If a million bishops say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing." The evidence of early church history suggests that creedal conformity had a political motive as much as anything else. And there is nothing in the teaching of Jesus to suggest that he cares much about creedal conformity, and much to suggest that it is a dangerous trap.

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    Jesus was a common Jew. Probably a wandering half-educated preacher.

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    The cult of the family, the cult of the dead (burial rites, praying to the dead, and the ongoing pre-occupation of obscure yet influential christian brotherhoods with these things - there's nothing particulary Christian about that), the cult of Mary (basically the cult of the black Madonna, Andre Mari), and a variety of christian symbols are obviously deeply paganistic in their roots - but Catholic nonetheless; Catholics are no bible thumpers to begin with.

    A host of Catholic saints are really pagan figures, or, as in the case of St. Guignefort, St. Martin, St. Bruno, St. Hubertus, St. Blaise, St. Enimie, St. Tropez and others, they were animals - respectively, a dog, a bear, a stag, a wolf, a bird, a goose, and a rooster. They're the product of pagan animal cults.

    And then there's the worshiping of Saint Martinus, the best loved saint in my region, his myth is based on the life of a Christian, Roman officer and Wotan.

    On topic: Christianity has a zero survival rate if it doesn't recognise Christ as both God and man. Only sectarism sprung forth from believing that Christ was only a man - or only God - because of the far reaching implications.

    Consequently, the poll could be expanded with the question 'do you believe Christ was God but not a man?', but it's an almost totally irrelevant belief nowadays.

    I believe in the holy trinity, for Lord Byron said that truth is always strange, stranger than fiction - and just as is the case with men and women, whose love originates in, and exists by the gration of the Holy Spirit, I believe that this Holy Spirit is the glue between the father and the son.

    Christ must've been crawling out of his skin for his entire life because of his genetic make-up, being a divine automat. The struggle between the two sides of Christ's nature can't be anything else than his personal greatest battle - also beautifully depicted in the movie "The last temptation of Christ".
    “War is waged by men; not by beasts, or by gods. It is a peculiarly human activity. To call it a crime against mankind is to miss at least half its significance; it is also the punishment of a crime.” - Frederic Manning, The Middle Parts of Fortune

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    If Jesus existed, he was a Jewish preacher. That Germanics ended up worshiping him is quite disturbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    If Jesus existed, he was a Jewish preacher. That Germanics ended up worshiping him is quite disturbing.
    I'm agree with Todesengel.
    My opinion is,
    I don't care if Jesus existed.
    It has little important to the Germanic people.
    The holy land of Jesus,
    and the chosen people he spoke about,
    weren't ours.

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    How Do We Know Jesus Was Really Who He Said He Was?

    How do we know Jesus was really who he said he was?


    What evidence is there that Jesus existed? How are we supposed to reconcile conflicting reports? Abdu Murray responds at an open forum at Yale University.
    Although the word "Commando" was wrongly used to describe all Boer soldiers, a commando was a unit formed from a particular district. None of the units was organized in regular companies, battalions or squadrons. The Boer commandos were individualists who were difficult to control, resented formal discipline or orders, and earned a British jibe that"every Boer was his own general".

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    First century contemporaries never mention Jesus (overwhelming lack of testimony). Blatant interpolations are found in the works of Josephus, Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, Longinus (On The Sublime), and even Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius (2nd century), which suggest that the Church attempted to establish his presence in the first century. Acts of the Apostles and Eusebius are obviously unreliable sources.

    What then?

    Jesus lived before the first century. I believe this was first put forth by clairvoyants, who certainly aren't absolute about their claims, but it's still one which is very much merited.

    There are indications that Jesus' teachings (Golden Rule, Sermon on the Mount) weren't unique, that he had visited the Orient, and that his personality seems to be an amalgam of different individuals (i.e. one aspect of Jesus being that of an agitator who wishes to disrupt the status quo), but as I've previously argued, he demonstrates unprecedented familiarity with the Jewish mentality and was acquainted with the non-Jewish custom of cutting one's right hand off, which would later be interpreted by Hitler as applying to the body politic. Plus there's the testimony about him being the son of a Roman soldier and the fact stands that his rehabilitation as a non-pacifistic, non-suffering, non-gloomy non-Jew is necessary to reform the Christian religion.

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    The problem is that there's about a 30-year gap between his birth and his brief reappearance and what little has been told about him (miracles etc..) is almost certainly invented.

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    Cause I just know Jesus is exactly who He is.

    Some things can't be explained with words that only fall on doubtful ears, so I don't even try.
    Not all in life is at it appears to be.

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    The Mormons claim he was in America...............LOL

    Because he lives, I can face tomorrow...........
    I love that song............

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