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  • The son of God who died on the cross for the sins of mankind

    16 42.11%
  • One of several prophets or messengers of God

    3 7.89%
  • A Jewish revolutionary figure executed for his controversial ideas

    12 31.58%
  • I don't care who he was

    4 10.53%
  • A fairy tale, he never existed

    6 15.79%
  • Undecided

    3 7.89%
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    Who Was Jesus?

    In your opinion, who was Jesus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladygoeth33
    In your opinion, who was Jesus?
    I think he was probably a composite of several messianic Jewish peripatetic agitators roaming Judea at the time. These movements were rampant as a response to Roman occupation (movements like the Essenes/Nazoreans and the Zealots). Note that John the Baptist came before Jesus and wasn't necessarily tied to him in reality. It was also widely believed that Elijah would return to Earth in bodily form to herald the coming of the Messiah. Christian apologists later blurred all of these separate facts into one sloppy story where all of the agitators became blended into this "Jesus" character (the name probably came from one of the actual Jews with a cult following, but there were many). John the Baptist somehow "became" Elijah incarnated to wriggle around the fact that Elijah never had actually returned to herald this supposed Messiah, Jesus. If Jesus really was just one person originally, then he has had so many other attributes and ridiculous events tied in with him that it's useless to call him an historical personage.

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    I'm mostly undecided. I need to read more about him.

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    im not trying to be offensive but IMO Jesus was a communist jew :jew who was very overrated during his lifetime, and got much more overrated after his death. :crucified

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    I think that Jesus was a Surfer from California ( long hair,beard and sandals)
    In all seriousness I think that Jesus was probably a Teacher and possibly a Prophet .
    " Duty is the most sublime word in our language. Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more. You should never wish to do less." -Robert E.Lee

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    I care only in that I am forced to care by a world full of Bible-thumping Christians who attempt to force their middle-eastern fantasies on me through knocks on my door at 9am on Saturday mornings and bumper sticks like "My Father is a Jewish Carpenter" (that one had me stumped for many years). If they would just mind their own business and stop trying to save my wretched soul from the pits of Hell, I wouldn't hate them so much.

    Back to the question: He probably existed in some manner, maybe as a single man and maybe his image is a composite of many, or maybe the Bible is just complete nonsense and/or a fable, but I just don't care.

    Amen.

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    What is Your View on Jesus Christ?

    Christians and non-Christians alike, what is your view on Jesus Christ? Please pick the poll answer which applies or if not, elaborate on your views. Some civility should be maintained please.

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    You left out one important option in your poll:

    'In my view, Jesus existed, but I'm not sure whether He is the Son of God or a common man.'

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    "In my view, Jesus existed, but he was only a common man."

    I believe that Jesus Christ did indeed exist. He is independently mentioned, his position as a prophet who was the common son of a woman, with father unknown but not being God, is found in Islam as well (Isa ibn Maryam = Jesus, son of Mary); the existence of a religiously important Jesus seems to have been commonly accepted in that area, even with non-Jews and non-Christians.

    I personally believe him to be an important figure in terms of the evolution of the monotheistic Abrahamic religious. A religious philosopher, and a religious reformer, this is how he would have seen himself. He essentially believed in the same God and the same traditions as other Jews, but he felt their energy misguided and sought to establish an alternative viewpoint towards all that.

    His calling JHWH "Father" I believe is not a factual point; it is rather a synonym for this deity. As you well know, Jews are not permitted to say the Lord's name; and even were they permitted they would perhaps find thousands of ways to describe him; JHWH is perhaps just a verb form itself of the word "ehje" which can mean "he was" or "he is" or "he will be"; essentially thus meaning "the eternal soul".

    Finding synonymous names to describe deities or one of their characteristics; Odin himself has over 50, amongst them "Allfather", pointing out a mythological quality.

    I see Jesus' use of "Father" to refer to JHWH as a similar synonym, obviously within a creation myth the creator of all that is, would be a sort of "Father". A vice-versa address of "Son" would not need to be a biological son, we often use that word even now to address someone we have a position of advice to, even if they are not our biological offspring. And within the religious context it could just be that essentially all people would be his "sons" as they are his creation as the omnipotent creater-of-all (as it the mythological position of JHWH to his believers).

    So: I think he existed, he was an important religious philosopher/reformer of Judaism and intended to just be a reformer. He essentially caused a Jewish sect by that, which eventually grew into a religion in his own right. But "son of God" he is not.
    -In kalte Schatten versunken... /Germaniens Volk erstarrt / Gefroren von Lügen / In denen die Welt verharrt-
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    (Heimdalls Wacht, In kalte Schatten versunken, stanzas 4-6)

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    My view:

    Jesus existed, and it is useful to think of him as the "son of God", but not in the way the Roman church has mythologized it. (I may not be as far apart from Sigurd as it appears right this second. Stick around...)

    The Roman church and the orthodox creeds today (even in Protestant churches) are focused on abstractions about the nature of Jesus that are held up as "articles of faith"--believe this about Jesus or go to hell.

    Seems to me the actual teachings of Jesus were very much more about love in action. And for that matter, the 'final separation' as he taught it to his followers was not between this creed and that creed. It was between those who showed 'random acts of kindness' to those who couldn't repay, and those who didn't. In the meantime, lots of people that thought they had a "relationship" with Jesus were surprised to hear "I never knew you".

    Notes:

    Jesus's usage in the gospels flows from "my father" to "our father".

    Jesus's and the apostles' usage in the NT flows from "only begotten son" to "first begotten of many brethren".

    Followers are said to be "begotten of the word of God" and "partakers of the divine nature".

    Altogether, it seems to me that mainstream Churchianity worships an idealized and romanticized—am I really going to say this?...—idol of its own making, whereas the Jesus of the New Testament had a completely different emphasis and focus in his life and teaching.

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