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    The Dinarid Type





    In physical anthropology, the Dinaric race is one of the subcategories of the Europid (White; Caucasian) race into which it was divided by anthropologists in the early 20th century. The concept of the Dinaric race is most closely associated with the writings of Hans F.K. Günther. The name derives from the Dinaric Alps (the western part of the Balkan Peninsula) which was supposed to be its principal habitat.

    Its characteristics were defined as tall, mostly mesomorph bodily build, with relatively long legs and short trunk and a medium arm span. The overall anatomy of the head was said to be brachycephalic to hyperbrachycephalic (Cranial index: 81-86) whereby the condition is caused by both rather high breadth of the head and a medium length of the neurocranium, whose back part is often somewhat flattened (planoccipital).

    The vertical height of the cranium is high. Eyes are set relatively close and the surrounding tissue defines them as wide open. The nose is large, narrow and convex. The face is long and orthognathic, with a prominent chin, and also wide. The form of the forehead is variable, but not rarely it is bulbous. The hair color is usually dark brown, with black haired and blond individuals in minority, blondness being the characteristic of the more Central European, morphologically similar Noric race (a race intermediate between Nordic and Dinaric races).

    The skin is lacking the rosy color characteristic for Northern Europe as well as the relatively brunet pigmentation characteristic for the southernmost Europe and on a geographical plane it is of medium pigmentation and often it is variable.

    Several theories were postulated regarding the genesis of the Dinaric race and most of them agreed that this race was autochthonous to its present habitat from the Neolithic. It has also been claimed that the Bell-Beaker people of the European Bronze Age were at least partially Dinaric. However Carleton Coon in The Origin of Races (1962) argued that the Dinaric and other such categories "are not races but simply the visible expressions of the genetic variability of the intermarrying groups to which they belong."

    According to the Dinaric model, Dinarics are to be found today in the mountainous areas of the western Balkans (Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia and Montenegro, most of northwestern Bulgaria, northwestern Republic of Macedonia and northern Albania). Northern Italy is mostly a Dinaric area as well as western Greece, Romania, eastern Ukraine, southeastern German-speaking areas, and parts of southern Poland and southeastern France.


    Dinarid Mental Characteristics


    The members of this race are characterized by a rough strength and downrightness, by a peculiar trustworthiness, by a feeling for honour and love of the home, by bravery and a certain self-consciousness. It is these attributes which in the Great War made those men on both sides who came from predominantly Dinaric districts the best fighters on the south-eastern front. It is the Dinaric blood that makes the difference between the nature of the Bavarian and the North-German, and gives rise to the self-consciousness of South-German and Austrian Alpine districts.

    The Dinaric man is characterized by a warm feeling for nature, a strong love of the home, and a spirit of creativeness in fashioning the surroundings to be the ordered expression of himself in houses, implements, customs, and forms of speech. He does not, however, turn his gifts so much to the vaster undertakings, to leadership in the most varied spheres of life, or to restless progress and strenuous competition. He lives more in the present than does the provident, foreseeing Nordic.

    The boldness of the Dinaric is rather one of bodily achievements; a real spiritual urge to conquest, such as often characterizes Nordic men, seems to be rarer. Characteristic of the Dinaric is an inclination to sudden outbursts, to quick anger, and to combativeness -- characteristics, however, which but stand out from the general level of a disposition that is on the whole good-tempered, cheerful, and friendly.

    But it is not mere chance that the predominantly Dinaric south-east of the German-speaking area (like the East with its East Baltic strain) is marked by a particularly high percentage of convictions for dangerous bodily wounding, and in general by a relatively high percentage of criminal convictions.

    Dinarics are often characterizewd of having stern determination. The spiritual outlook is narrower, though the will may be as strong. On the whole the Dinaric race represents a stock which is not seldom somewhat uncouth, with a rough cheerfulness, or even wit, and is easily stirred to enthusiasm; it has a gift for coarse repartee and vivid description, showing a decided knowledge of mankind and histrionic powers as a racial endowment.

    Business capacity, too, seems to be not rare. The gift for music, above all for song, is particularly pronounced. The predominantly Dinaric Alpine district is where German folk-songs most flourish. The gift of tongues, too, would seem more frequent in the Dinaric race. The sociableness of this race is a rough and noisy one; as between man and man it is generally sincere and upright.


    Dinarid Distribution


    Dinarics are mostly found in moutainous areas of Central and Southeast Europe stretching from Central France to the Balkans.

    Core Dinaric

    Serbia, Croatia, Macedonia, Bosnia, and Slovenia: 75% Dinaric
    Romania: 35% Dinaric (Most common in the West)
    Austria: 25% Dinaric
    Czech Republic and Slovakia: 25% Dinaric (Most common in Moravia)
    Italy: 20% Dinaric (Most common in the North)
    Hungary: 20% Dinaric: (Most common in the Southwest)
    France: 15% Dinaric: (Most common in SE France)
    Switzerland 15% Dinaric (Most common in the South and East)
    Bulgaria: 15% Dinaric
    Poland: 10% Dinaric
    Greece: 10% Dinaric
    Germany: 5% Dinaric (Most common in Bavaria)
    Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine 5% Dinaric: (Most common in Eastern Ukraine)
    Spain and Portugal: 5% Dinaric

    Peripheral Dinarids

    Norics: Nordic/Dinarid Intermediates

    Austria: 35% Noric
    France: 30% Noric (Most common in the North)
    Switzerland: 30% Noric (Most common in the North, West, and Center)
    Germany: 15% Noric
    Czech Republic and Slovakia: 15% Noric (Most common in Bohemia)
    Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Macedonia, and Slovenia: 10% Noric (Most common in the North)
    Romania: 7% Noric
    Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine: 5% Noric
    Poland: 5% Noric
    Italy: 4% Noric (Most common in the North)
    England: 2% Noric (From Bronze Age invaders)
    Hungary: 2% Noric
    Ireland: 2% Noric
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    Re: The Dinarid type

    Dinarid Photo Gallery








    Dinarids

    Bertolt Brehct: German



    Goran Visnjic: Croatian



    Joe Namath: Hungarian



    Arkan: Zeliko Raznatovic: Serbian



    Günther Oettinger: German



    I had a hard time finding examples of Dinarid women. I just took these from some "Yugo" site. They're not the best example of the Dinarid type.

    Unknown Dinarid looking girls from the Balkans:











    In Hollywood movies, Dinaric men are often casted as the "bad boys" roles (not to say psychos), while Dinaric women are often depicted as vamps. Dracula is a caricature of the Dinaric traits.





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    Re: The Dinarid type

    Quote Originally Posted by Janos Hunyadi
    very nice! But besides that, you can skip the mental characteristics, which are BS. The dinarid type enjoys through gunther's dubious writings an unexpected and above all positive definition. It will be a surprise, but its the only non-nordid race in which he finds good characteristics, no wonder that he describes himself as nordid with dinarid influence.

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    Re: The Dinarid type

    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Eld
    But besides that, you can skip the mental characteristics, which are BS. The dinarid type enjoys
    through gunther's dubious writings an unexpected and above all positive definition. It will be a surprise, but its the
    only non-nordid race in which he finds good characteristics, no wonder that he describes himself as nordid with
    dinarid influence.
    Yes, that was the work of Günther, the Nordicist that the National Socialists based some of their racial policies on.
    A little biased but I definetely think that there are better anthropologists on these matters.

    Such views during his time were extreme, but more mainstream Nordic theory was institutionalized. The Nazi state used such ideas about the differences between European races as part of their program of Racial Hygiene and various discriminatory and coercive policies. Hitler himself was later to downplay the importance of Nordicism for this very reason since he was seen as partially Dinarid. The standard tripartite model placed a fair deal of the the population of Hitler's Germany in the Alpine category, as well as some in the Altantid and Dinarid categories, especially after the Anschluss. By 1939 Hitler abandoned Nordicist rhetoric in favour of the idea that the German people as a whole were united more so by distinct "spiritual" qualities.
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    Grin Re: The Dinarid type

    Quote Originally Posted by Janos Hunyadi
    I think that Vermes Katalin is a rather harmonius example of the Noric type.
    Then again there's also Blood Axis of course!

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    Re: The Dinarid type

    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Eld
    But besides that, you can skip the mental characteristics, which are BS.
    I think he went a bit overboard (mentality is affected by more than genetic makeup, something he didn't seem to take fully into account)), but I also think there is some truth in his analysis. I find his mention of aptitude for music and tendency to combativeness and a quick temper is particularly interesting, especially considering certain conclusions I have recently come to.

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    Re: The Dinarid type

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    DINARID (Adriatic (Deniker)) Central and southeastern Europid, named with reference to the Dinaric Alps. The Dinarid is considered a Taurid, being a product of the dinaricization of an ancestral population of uncertain affiliation (a Borreby-like Cro-Magnoid type has been suggested). Dinarids are typically brachycephalic and planoccipital, long-faced and long- and convex-nosed, and intermediate to dark in pigmentation. They are most common in the Balkans, especially in the region of former Yugoslavia, and a Dinarid "belt" extends from France through southern Germany, the Alps and northern Italy, terminating in the western shoreline populations of the Black Sea.

    DINARICIZATION An evolutionary process involving brachycephalization, flattening of the occipital region, and development of a long and prominent nasal apparatus, typically of extreme convexity. Dinaricization, whatever its precise nature, could be an adaptation to life in mountainous regions, and is allegedly correlated with herding populations. The Eurasian Taurid types (including the European Dinarid) are classic examples of dinaricization, but a tendency may also be observed outside of the Europid group, e.g. in certain Indianid populations. Coon explained the special dinariform set of features as the divergent outcome of interbreeding between Alpinid and Mediterranid populations of certain proportions (2/3 Mediterranid, 1/3 Alpinid; see The Races of Europe, Photographic Supplement, plate 35). It has also been suggested that brachycephalizedCro-Magnoids have been involved in the various formations.








    SNPA considers this man to be a textbook Dinarid.




    Absolutely ridiculous if you ask me! This man isn't racially Europid. He looks purely Armenoidal to me. One of the worst examples of a Dinaric that I've ever seen!










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    Re: The Dinarid type

    Looking at examples of the Dinarics, I have to say personally i find them to be aesthetically unattractive. Mainly due to the prominent nose, but the skin also, lacking the Nordid more rosey complexion.

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    AW: The Dinarid type

    The example is from Glowatzkis work, I posted the plates, its sticky. However, he had many not ideal examples of average people - but they definitely fall in the respective categories.
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    Re: The Dinarid type

    Looking at examples of the Dinarics, I have to say personally i find them to be aesthetically unattractive. Mainly due to the prominent nose, but the skin also, lacking the Nordid more rosey complexion.
    I agree. Generally the more dinaric a person is the less attractive they look, especially with women. This does not mean that there aren't individuals who show dinaric features who aren't attractive.
    Clearly not!

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