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    Are the Irish Paedomorphic?

    I’m of Norman Irish descent.

    I earlier posted a question about Heather Graham, who is a *Very* Beautiful Woman.

    She looks Nordic to me although Her ancestry is Irish. (Which doesn’t preclude Her being essentially Nordic).

    What is this about Her being Paedomorphic?



    All are Irish “Paedomorphic” ? What makes all Irish paedomorphic? Isn't this a far-fetched presumption?

    Germans are frequently “Paedomorphic” in case you haven’t noticed. Just take a look at Cristopher Walken and Klaus Kinski, for instance.


    I think of Heather Graham as “Nordic Ascendant” meaning that She is a Very Nordic Person (although of mixed Northern European Ancestry, including British, Irish, and Scottish) moving into the future with Her Very Beautiful Scandinavian Face to achieve Great Dreams that we all hope to achieve someday.
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    Re: Are the Irish Paedomorphic?

    Not more so than other nationalities. I've always tended to think of the typical Irishman as having a prominent, convex nose and and a strong/prominent chin. I also don't think the Brunn type is as prevalent among the Irish as some people make out.

    Here is an Irish member's impression of the "Irish look", at least in his area:

    "It is not a germanic look IMHO, It is comprised of light skin pigmentation and slight freckles with dark brown hair and a more mediteranian than English facial look (sometimes a Roman Nose).There is somthing softer about the overall facial apperance IMO than in germanic types, especially in women."

    That is very much my impression as well, more so than the Brunn or a paedomorphic look. A sort of Mediterranean facial structure, but with fair skin (which goes distinctively red on weathered individuals such as farmers) and light eye colouring. However, it is typical of England and Scotland as well.

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    AW: Are the Irish Paedomorphic?

    In general the Irish are less infantile than many other European groups and on average closer to classic Europids.

    Balanced Neoteny, partial Paedomorphosis (which can be even progressive!) being not the same as paedomorphic racial types which are infantile and reduced in many ways, much more than in one respect - especially if its about proportions, general growth tendencies and soft-rounded features.
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    Re: Are the Irish Paedomorphic?

    I wouldn't call Heather Graham "very nordic."

    Also, when I think of paedomorphic types, the first thing that comes to my mind is Alpinid.

    When you had Heather Graham classified before, most considered her to be sub-nordic (nordid+alpinid).

    If she is paedomorphic, I'd say it is from her alpinid.

    When I see pictures of her, I think of more a Faelid-Alpine, such as in these pics:





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    Re: Are the Irish Paedomorphic?

    FWIW, I am almost certain that one of the images in the series of pics in the *.Gif you provided is not of Heather Graham but is actually Alexis Bledel.

    She does, for some reason, seem to bear a striking resemblance to Heather Graham.

    Here is a shot of her that I downloaded from Google for comparison:


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    Re: Are the Irish Paedomorphic?

    Quote Originally Posted by innominatetwice
    FWIW, I am almost certain that one of the images in the series of pics in the *.Gif you provided is not of Heather Graham but is actually Alexis Bledel.

    She does, for some reason, seem to bear a striking resemblance to Heather Graham.

    Here is a shot of her that I downloaded from Google for comparison:
    I know who Alexis Bledel is and IMO she doesn't look at all like Heather Graham. Which image from the .gif do you dispute? The first one, which I suspect is from this movie originally? Or is it the second one, found also on this site. Or was it one of the last two where she is blonde?
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    Re: Are the Irish Paedomorphic?

    It is difficult to determine, but I would call them more gerontomorphic than the majority of European ethne.
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    AW: Are the Irish Paedomorphic?

    Mature is the better description since gerontomorphic sounds like a dodderer somewhat, what is not really the case, since they dont suffer from progeria and age, as a rule, slower than infantile variants.
    Furthermore gerontomorphic doesnt exist as a term which is well established, whereas paedomorphic is officially accepted and describes a pattern which is of general importance.
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    Re: Are the Irish Paedomorphic?

    Okay,

    I’ve posted the image in question from your *.gif and one I found of Alexis Bledel from the web.

    Indeed, I found the *.gif image on the site pertaining to Heather Graham that you pointed to.

    Is it possible that that this identification is wrong?

    I don’t know, maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me. Tell me that these are not the same Woman.

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