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    Question Nordic-Mediterranean common origin?

    Didn't Carleton S. Coon conclude that Hallstatt Nordics were simply an overgrown, depigmented variant of the old Mediterranean race? It certainly seems possible to me, considering that Hallstatts have much more gracile, dolichocephalic, ovicular skulls, unlike UP races, but like the Mediterranean race. The racial type portrayed in classical Greek art looks VERY similar to the Hallstatt/Skandonordic/Goetatyp. How much evidence is there for this theory? Is there any genetic evidence? What are your own opinions on this matter?

    I have attached pictures which illustrate the similarity between the two races.
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    Re: Nordic-Mediterranean common origin?

    Yea they do look very facially similar, like the narrow faces.

    Quote Originally Posted by from racial reality
    The Nordic race is a partially depigmented branch of the greater Mediterranean
    racial stock. It is probably a composite race made up of two or more basic Mediter-
    ranean strains, depigmented separately or in conjunction by a progressive evolutionary
    process. As has been demonstrated on plates 9 and 10, it is impossible, as some European
    anthropologists believe, to derive a Nordic directly from a dolichocephalic Upper Palae-
    olithic ancestor of Brünn or Crô-Magnon type. Reduction of these overgrown races
    produces a result which is quite un-Nordic morphologically as well as in constitutional
    type. It is the author's thesis that the Nordic race in Europe was caused by a blending
    of the early Danubian Mediterranean strain with the later Corded element. At the
    present time both Corded and Danubian elements may be isolated, while other Nordics
    preserve the blended form. Nordics in eastern Europe, Asia, and North Africa may
    have been formed by separate recombinations or simple depigmentations of comparable
    Mediterranean strains, or by invasions of these regions from an European or West
    Asiatic depigmentation center.

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    AW: Nordic-Mediterranean common origin?

    Nordids and Mediterranids share partly the same roots, at least if speaking about West- and Atlantomediterranids. Even though Nordids might have a stronger Cromagnoid component in their ancestors, Cromagnoid was also present in the more Southern regions of the Atlantic facade and finally Nordids and especially Atlantomediterranids are a very similar specialisation, just more Northern and more Southern-warmer adapted, thats the main difference. But there is no fundamental difference in the character of their specialisation beside the UV-related adaptation.

    But to call Nordids just "depigmented Mediterranids" like Coon did goes just a way too far. Some shared roots dont make them the same...finally if speaking about types its about specialisations and basic physical variation and even the differences might not be huge, they are big enough. Differences are bigger if comparing standard Skandonordids with standard Gracilmediterranids - which are even morphologically more different than Atlantomediterranids.
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    Re: Nordic-Mediterranean common origin?

    Quote Originally Posted by thiedischer
    Didn't Carleton S. Coon conclude that Hallstatt Nordics were simply an overgrown, depigmented variant of the old Mediterranean race? It certainly seems possible to me, considering that Hallstatts have much more gracile, dolichocephalic, ovicular skulls, unlike UP races, but like the Mediterranean race. The racial type portrayed in classical Greek art looks VERY similar to the Hallstatt/Skandonordic/Goetatyp. How much evidence is there for this theory? Is there any genetic evidence? What are your own opinions on this matter?

    I have attached pictures which illustrate the similarity between the two races.

    I do not think so. By the way Carleton is a valid sourch of Jews and Southern Italians like the founder of "Racial reality" and his FKG "March of the Giants".
    North is North and Mediterrany is Mediterrany. Of course I am not so like to be able to say the same thing for my sad North Italy (sad because on 10 personse, 5 are from South)

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    AW: Re: Nordic-Mediterranean common origin?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marco Bianchi
    Of course I am not so like to be able to say the same thing for my sad North Italy (sad because on 10 personse, 5 are from South)
    Sad North Italy? I would say: sad South Italy. Because the immigration of non-europeans in South Italy is stronger than in the North. I know a lot of people from the South who looks more nordic than people from the North. Europe is a mix from all european subraces. You can also find mediteranid people in France, Belgium or Spain. I dont understand where the problem is?


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    Re: AW: Re: Nordic-Mediterranean common origin?

    Quote Originally Posted by Insidiator
    Sad North Italy? I would say: sad South Italy. Because the immigration of non-europeans in South Italy is stronger than in the North. I know a lot of people from the South who looks more nordic than people from the North. Europe is a mix from all european subraces. You can also find mediteranid people in France, Belgium or Spain. I dont understand where the problem is?
    Which kind of sourch, statistic or other did you show that in South Italy there are more non European immigrants??? Lombardia is the country's region with more non European immigrants than in the whole country.

    By the way the immigrants enter in the South through the sea and than move to the North Italians area or to other countries.

    You know more Southern Italians that look more Nordic than Northern Italians?? Ok send them to us (in the North Italy) and we will give back to the South those (80% of them) who loks and live to us like gipsy.

    You don't understand where is the problem?? Me too. I don't understand where you see a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco Bianchi

    You know more Southern Italians that look more Nordic than Northern Italians?? Ok send them to us (in the North Italy) and we will give back to the South those (80% of them) who loks and live to us like gipsy.
    Do you know, that people with Brown or Black hair also can be Nordic like people with Blond Hair
    You can also find Nordic People of Sicily.
    I think, that you know nothing about the european subraces.
    Italy is a great European Land and it belongs with germany to the heart of europe.

    By the way: Germany and France have more non-european immigration than Italy. And the Italian people have much more National and Racial Pride than germany and France together.


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    Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: Nordic-Mediterranean common origin?

    Quote Originally Posted by Insidiator
    Do you know, that people with Brown or Black hair also can be Nordic like people with Blond Hair
    You can also find Nordic People of Sicily.
    I think, that you know nothing about the european subraces.
    Italy is a great European Land and it belongs with germany to the heart of europe.

    By the way: Germany and France have more non-european immigration than Italy. And the Italian people have much more National and Racial Pride than germany and France together.
    Can people with black hair be Nordic? Sorry, if i may seem naive here.
    If they can, then i assume that we accept there are different levels of Nordic purity. Do you mean Nordish? That would make more sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thruthheim
    Can people with black hair be Nordic? Sorry, if i may seem naive here.
    If they can, then i assume that we accept there are different levels of Nordic purity. Do you mean Nordish? That would make more sense.
    I have many Comrades with black or brown Hair, who looks Nordish/Baltid or Nordish/Dinarid. A lot of my german Comrades have brown Eyes and Black or brouwn Hairs. They are all pure German. That is, what i sayed about the Subraces in all euruopean Countrys. You can find them everywhere. And the mediteranid Subrace in South-Italy can you also find in France, south-Germany, belgium or Switzerland.


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    Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: Nordic-Mediterranean common origin?

    Quote Originally Posted by Insidiator
    I have many Comrades with black or brown Hair, who looks Nordish/Baltid or Nordish/Dinarid. A lot of my german Comrades have brown Eyes and Black or brouwn Hairs. They are all pure German. That is, what i sayed about the Subraces in all euruopean Countrys. You can find them everywhere. And the mediteranid Subrace in South-Italy can you also find in France, south-Germany, belgium or Switzerland.
    Ofcourse, but Although pigmentation isn't the be all end all, it's certainly significant. I thought Anthropological studies found it rare for a Nordid to have Black Hair with Brown Eyes? Those types you mentioned, mediterranid(atlantid/paleo's) are found in all of Europe, in North Europe, it's mainly the coastal regions i believe.

    As far as im aware, someone with Black hair and brown eyes isn't Nordic, They are ofcourse, in your example, German and Germanic. But they may be Alpinid,Paleo Atlantid,Nord Atlantid for example.

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