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    The real war between two world views

    Islamic extremism may save western civilization

    by Mark Glenn

    It would shock and probably offend most Americans to learn the truth that the reason they are here, their power, their affluence and position in the world is directly because of the Islamic religion and the Arab culture. That's right, the very 'ragheads' and 'Hajis' (as Limbaugh, Liddy and some of the others often call them) that the US is now fighting are directly responsible for the preeminence and power of not just the United States, but of the entire Western world in general.

    Besides the fact that Western Civilization began in the area of the Fertile Crescent, also know as Mesopotamia (present day Iraq), it is as well an historical fact beyond dispute that it was the learning and sophistication of the Arab culture that led to many of the scientific developments that would later make Europe the cradle of science, learning and advancement.

    After the institutionalization of the Islamic religion throughout the Mediterranean region, the extent of Arab learning and culture was such that European Kings, Christian Kings, would send their sons and daughters to be educated in Moslem places such as Cordova and Toledo. Christian Crusaders coming back from the Middle East told of the richnes of Arab culture, leading to Europeans' desire for Arab goods, which in turn led to trade routes between Europe and the Middle East. The resulting wealth created from that trade with the Arabs led to the ascendancy of power for European city-states such as Venice and Florence, which became the birthplaces of the Renaissance in Europe.

    Arab advancements in navigation, from the Astrolabe to the compass to the fast sailing ship known as the Caravel made possible the arrival in the New World of the Europeans. Let's not forget, Spain and Portugal, those two powers who held a virtual monopoly on exploration in the New World for quite a while, were for 700 years, held by Arabs.

    What will gall Americans even more, especially those who call themselves Christian, is the idea that it may be the Arab and Muslim culture that will be not only the birthplaces of Western Civilization, but the saviour of it as well.

    As evidenced by the nightly news right now, there is a war going on. Superficially, it is about things like 'terrorism' and 'freedom'. There are some who go a step further and blame oil and banking, not to mention 'lebensraum' for Israel. And while all these things do play a part, some greater than others, the real war here is between two world views. During the debates that took place in the UN between the internationalist cabal led by France, Germany, Russia, Belgium and China on one side and the nationalists led by the United States, Great Britain, (and behind the scenes, Israel) there was this 'tossing around' of phrases in coded language.

    The nationalist crowd, represented in the debates by Colin Powell, spoke of 'Old Europe' in a castigating attempt to portray those opposing the war against Iraq as somehow backward in their thinking, as opposed to those in the New World, who were enlightened and were here to save all humanity against dangerous men and dangerous ideas.

    And although we know that the reason for the internationalist crowd opposing the war against Iraq had little to do with anything other than protecting their own business interests as well as staving off US hegemony in the world in favour of internationalist hegemony, it did illustrate that there is, at least on the part of the 'coalition of the willing' a desire to do away with that ethos held by the Old World (meaning the Middle East) that serves as an obstacle in building that New World Order that Bush the Elder discussed more than a decade ago, even if it means seeing the US leading it rather than the UN.

    To the 'New World', and by default the New World Order, the Arab/Muslim world is backword in its values. It prohibits abortion and birth control. They have large families, as opposed to the West, where the average family has only two children. It prohibits usury banking, to which the West credits its own economic superiority. Theirs is a 'closed' society (read into this no sodomy, pornography, gay lifestyle, et al). Theirs is a 'cruel' society (read into this - they do not have people on death row for 20 years). And finally, they will not play the game the way the market wants it played, meaning, they want a just price for their only real source of wealth, their oil, instead of giving it away to the West for a fraction of its worth. In other words, the picture that has just been painted here is, the Muslim world is now what the Christian world once was and should be.

    One can already hear the roar coming out of the mouths of many who have not been thinking of this in a critical way, particularly those well-paid mouthpieces on TV and radio masquerading themselves as Christians. 'The religion of Mohammed is better than the religion of Jesus Christ?! No, rather, what is meant here is that the religion of Islam resembles Christianity more than does the Christianity of the West today, because the Christianity of the West today isn't Christianity at all, but a watered-down amalgamation of New Ageism mixed with certain common spiritual attributes that, although called Christian, can be found in almost every known religion. Through decades of destructive influence and propaganda through media and academia, mainstream Christianity in the West has been reduced to one remaining commandment, vague and hard to pin-point which is 'be-nice.'

    The fact of the matter is, putting aside all the other reasons surrounding this war that were enumerated at the beginning of this essay, what exists in the Middle East, or in The Old World, as some would call it, is a culture that is still devoted to principles concerning basic moral values, values that have not yet surrendered to the corrupting influence of Western media or Western money.

    Within the last 50 years, every culture has fallen before this corrupting power that seeks to enslave all men in such a way that the individual is reduced to the value of what he produces and what he consumes, and in pursuit of that method, the individuals behind this program have quietly but decisively removed every obstacle in their way, be it religion, culture, morals, tradition or world view, through the methods of media, academia and finance; that is, except the culture encapsulated in the Islamic/Arabic world.

    By the description 'Arabic/Islamic,' It should not be understood as solely a 'Muslim' thing. The culture existing in the Arab world is held by both Christians and Muslims alike. There are millions of Christians, who have in essence the same culture with their Muslim counterparts in much the same way as most Americans, regardless of religion, have the same culture. It is those Christians and Muslims alike who reject these 'modern' notions such as abortion, birth control, sodomy, pornography, usury banking and 'market value' of services and resources.

    They still view the family, the traditional family, with all its traditional roles, as the most important building block of their society, and they take very seriously anything that threatens it. They recognize the value of their children, and how dangerous the moral relativism of the West has become, threatening the stability of society directly. They recognize that if their children and society as a whole are subjected to ideals that promote moral decay for an extended period of time, what will eventually and unavoidably be produced is national decay.

    One should consider the fact that the New World Order has used and is using all its resources and influence to emasculate and neutralize all opposition to its agenda in the world. The Catholic Church, once a political power to be feared by presidents and prime ministers the world over, has been rendered obsolete. Through mouthpieces such as John Paul II, the New World Order has been openly embraced, and if at times the church gets a little rambunctious and steps out of line, well, the NWO crowd merely runs new stories revealing allegations of pedophilia and abuse.

    The mainstream Protestant groups, led by influential people on the television and radio, may talk of dangers of the NWO and the secularization of the West, yet still openly embrace Bush when he pushes through various pieces of legislation that rob us of our freedoms under the guise of protection from terrorism, as well as the practice of conveniently 'forgetting' about Bush's caving in to the pro-abortion lobby in various instances. So, with the exception of a few pockets of token resistance, there is no one left standing in the way of the NWO except the Arab/Muslim World.

    If by some miracle, the Arab/Muslim World is victorious against this onslaught, and the secular/atheistic influence of the NWO agenda is reduced to such a level as to allow the Christian West to regain its foothold where it once stood, it will be necessary to credit the religion of Islam and the Arab world for not buckling under in the face of extermination. And it will be the Christian West and Western Civilization, who will be beneficiaries of 'Islamic Extremism.'

    MARK GLENN - is an American writer and former high school teacher, now a Writer/Commentator.

    Courtesy Ayesha Yusuf

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    Good article, I believe there is a lot of truth in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evolved View Post
    The real war between two world views

    Islamic extremism may save western civilization

    by Mark Glenn

    Besides the fact that Western Civilization began in the area of the Fertile Crescent, also know as Mesopotamia (present day Iraq),
    Mesopotamia was in a time thousands of years before the islamic ''religion'', Sumeria, Persia etc where not Arabic, not even semitic.

    it is as well an historical fact beyond dispute that it was the learning and sophistication of the Arab culture that led to many of the scientific developments that would later make Europe the cradle of science, learning and advancement.
    Proof it.

    After the institutionalization of the Islamic religion throughout the Mediterranean region, the extent of Arab learning and culture was such that European Kings, Christian Kings, would send their sons and daughters to be educated in Moslem places such as Cordova and Toledo.
    You mean sold to them as slaves, second, it seems the writer can not even spell muslim in English.

    Arab advancements in navigation, from the Astrolabe to the compass
    In 1187 Alexander Neckam reported the use of a magnetic compass for the region of the English Channel. In 1269 Petrus Peregrinus of Maricourt described a floating compass for astronomical purposes as well as a dry compass for seafaring, in his well-known Epistola de magnete.

    The earliest reference to an iron fish-like compass in the Islamic world occurs in a Persian talebook from 1232. The earliest Arabic reference to a compass - in the form of magnetic needle in a bowl of water - comes from the Yemeni sultan and astronomer Al-Ashraf in 1282.

    He also appears to be the first to make use of the compass for astronomical purposes. Since the author describes having witnessed the use of a compass on a ship trip some forty years earlier, some scholars are inclined to antedate its first appearance in the Arab world accordingly.

    Seems it was the other way around.

    What will gall Americans even more, especially those who call themselves Christian, is the idea that it may be the Arab and Muslim culture that will be not only the birthplaces of Western Civilization, but the saviour of it as well.
    You have got to be kidding me, what is this nonsense doing on this forum ?

    the Muslim world is now what the Christian world once was and should be.
    So this idiot want christians to go back to the dark ages.

    They still view the family, the traditional family, with all its traditional roles, as the most important building block of their society, and they take very seriously anything that threatens it.
    Inbreeding, incest, not caring about the children etc etc.

    there is no one left standing in the way of the NWO except the Arab/Muslim World
    They are a part of the NWO thing, stupid idiot.


    I am glad Evolved left this forum, same goes for Loki.

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    What was 1000 years ago was not maintained because of Islam and its bigotry.

    What the role of islamic scholars was was to preserve the knowledge and idea of originally germanic greek philosophers. Via islamic scholars that knowledge became important in the western world and look what they made out of it.

    Christianity destroyed a lot of knowledge because it was in opposition to the bible. Look at Kepler, Gallileo and so on.

    We don't need that semitic desert demon. It is only a block to germanic advancement.

    The NWO nonsense comes from the same source.

    Why replace one nonsense with another nonsense?

    Get rid of the semitics and send them home. They have no place in germanic culture.

    To expect the advancement of germanic people through Islam? You must be kidding. Germanics advance best with their own culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocko View Post
    What the role of islamic scholars was was to preserve the knowledge and idea of originally germanic greek philosophers. Via islamic scholars that knowledge became important in the western world and look what they made out of it.
    Actually very little of the ancient Greek knowledge came to us via the Arab world. And more from the refugees coming from the falling Byzantine Empire, who brought with them knowledge of Ancient Greek to Western Europe. This is of course hardly told now a days, because they want us to believe that the Arabs saved Greek learning. While that what happened in the Arab empire was more done by non-Muslim subjects (dhimmi's) and that their Golden Age ended when most of them became Muslim in order to escape the burdensome taxes that where placed on them. An other deathblow to it was the work of an influential Sufi who attacked philosophy for being unislamic.
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    Is this guy for real?! Islamic Extremists hate the West and wish to destroy it! They're scum compared to us

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    Islam is given far too much credit by both its supporters and detractors.
    Is it a threat to the West? Certainly. This is simply the nature of the religion. Nothing malevolent about it, and certainly nothing wholly dissimilar to the attitude toward holy war one can see in texts and traditions all over the Aryan world, from India to Iceland.

    I have plenty of respect for Islam, and this is largely due to the Traditional nature of the religion. However, I find it odd that anyone would see the adoption of a foreign Traditional religions as preferable to simple cultivation of native Traditional paradigms.

    The author has mistaken ignorance of the various concepts and philosophies that once formed the foundation of the Western man's mind with the deaths of those concepts and philosophies. A dangerous mistake to make, considering the foolish conclusions it can lead people to (see thread title).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Jupiter View Post
    Islam is given far too much credit by both its supporters and detractors.
    Is it a threat to the West? Certainly. This is simply the nature of the religion. Nothing malevolent about it, and certainly nothing wholly dissimilar to the attitude toward holy war one can see in texts and traditions all over the Aryan world, from India to Iceland.

    I have plenty of respect for Islam, and this is largely due to the Traditional nature of the religion. However, I find it odd that anyone would see the adoption of a foreign Traditional religions as preferable to simple cultivation of native Traditional paradigms.

    The author has mistaken ignorance of the various concepts and philosophies that once formed the foundation of the Western man's mind with the deaths of those concepts and philosophies. A dangerous mistake to make, considering the foolish conclusions it can lead people to (see thread title).
    What traditions, its only rules.

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    The Muslim extremists best do nothing as Islam will end up dominant in the West if the status quo continues, by carrying on the way they are they risk us changing things like immigration etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ancient Autumn View Post
    What traditions, its only rules.
    Really now?

    Honestly though, to those too intellectually unrefined to understand the more transcendent forces at play, the same could be said of any religion.

    And on that note, I'm done participating in this subject. Your latching on to the one potentially controversial element of my post was hardly subtle, and I have no doubt that if I say anything more such behavior will continue.
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