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    Permaculture (Food Forests), a Beginners Guide

    "Permaculture offers a radical approach to food production and urban renewal, water, energy and pollution. It integrates ecology, landscape, organic gardening, architecture and agro-forestry in creating a rich and sustainable way of living. It uses appropriate technology giving high yields for low energy inputs, achieving a resource of great diversity and stability. The design principles are equally applicable to both urban and rural dwellers" - Bill Mollison

    More here http://permaculture-media-download.b...ers-guide.html

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    Permaculture (Food Forests): Food Forests

    Here is a BBC movie on permaculture, I think this is worthy of discussion as sooner or later we are going to run out of fossil fuels.

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    I'm on the fence about this method of farming because I don't think it can produce the amount of food needed to support the population.
    Life is like a fire hydrant- sometimes you help people put out their fires, but most of the time you just get peed on by every dog in the neighborhood.

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    Thanks, I'll check it out!
    Here is one of the permaculture books I have:

    http://www.amazon.com/Sepp-Holzers-P.../dp/160358370X

    Sepp Holzer runs a permaculture farm in Austria.
    http://www.krameterhof.at/en/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepp_Holzer

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    I'm on the fence about this method of farming because I don't think it can produce the amount of food needed to support the population.[/QUOTE]

    Spearbrave, I'm with you on this one. Indvidual subsistence farming cannot produce the quantity of food necessary to feed the World's seven billion and growing population. As for Permaculture, it's an interesting model for individual or communal subsistence farming designed to fit into various ecological niches with a minimum of disruption to the ecological systems themselves either in the the short term or long term. For it to work, the world would have to reverse the trend of population movement from the agraian rural environments to the industrialized urban environments as has taken place over the millenia. This would be a radical shift which I don't think is likely to occur... Modern Ag.? It's all about hybrid seeds, fertilizers, herbicides, pesticides and water. The ingredients necessary to maximize crop yields and feed an exploding population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wittwer View Post
    Indvidual subsistence farming cannot produce the quantity of food necessary to feed the World's seven billion and growing population.
    Perhaps, but in the documentary, it is stated that permacultural methods actually can yield more food per square feet than what conventional farming can. Either way, I would like to see some documentation from both sides of that notion.
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    Why would we need to feed everybody? Surely we need take care of our Germanic people first.

    There are tons of un-used space, we can grow crops on roof tops (this will give insulation against heat in summer, and against cold in winter), school gardens (so they can learn about nature) etc...

    Even on a balcony or a windowsstill you are able to have something.
    Square-foot gardening and raised bed gardening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Žoreišar View Post
    Perhaps, but in the documentary, it is stated that permacultural methods actually can yield more food per square feet than what conventional farming can. Either way, I would like to see some documentation from both sides of that notion.
    I have been reading about permaculture for about a year now, and it seems there are as many definitions of the word as there as experts on the subject, all of the definitions though have one simple thing in common it is working with nature to produce a food crop.

    There are a couple of permaculture farms close to me ( at least two that I have been to ) They both grow less food on 10 acres than I do with my personal garden which is about a acre +. I don't use any commercial fertilizers or pesticides or herbicides. I keep track of my yields from year to year and compared them to permaculture sites and my yields are over 3 times on one + acre compared to 10 acres of permaculture. The down side is I do use a husqvarna gas tiller, but have recently purchased 3 wheel push plows. I also spend much more time tending my garden than the permaculture farms do meaning much more labor involved.

    In the film she talks to the old woman who talks about the days of animal power. I also live around the Amish and they have higher yields than even the modern farmers using chemicals. On the grand scale of things I think this is the way to go.

    Also a note on permaculture, I started looking into it to cut back on time, but not the quantity or quality of the food being grown. I'm still very much on the fence about that to.
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    Thanks for posting this I found this documentary to be very interesting.
    I wonder if Germanic countries could be totally self sufficient.

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    There is no doubt that Germanic countries can become totally self sufficient when it comes to food production, especially if you include the U.S., Canada, New Zealand, and Australia. It just depends on which farming methods will work best to utilize the land available in a preserving manner. Not only do we have to preserve our race and culture, but we must also preserve our land.
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    this is great stuff Im buying land and implimenting it.
    Its going to be a private country. Come and live there enjoy dirt roads and living in sheds. My private country isn't going to get in debt for the sake of keeping up appearances

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