What is White?

[Renegade]

I have crystalized a new method to determine who's White. It is something I call the maternal and paternal line rule. Here are the details.

If you are 1/4 non-white and 3/4 White, you look White, and it's your father's mother or mother's father who is the non-white grandparent, your White.

If you are 1/4 non-white and 3/4 White, your a male who's father's father is non-white or a female who's mother's mother is non-white, you are NOT White.

If you are 1/4 non-white and 3/4 White, and your a male who's mother's mother is non-white, or a female who's father's father is non-white, it goes on a case by case basis.

If you are 1/8th non-white and 7/8th White, in most cases your White. The exceptions to this would be a male who's great grandfather along the direct paternal line was non-white, or a female who's great grandmother along the direct maternal line was non-white. An exception would be a non-white great grand parent who was mixed raced, like a male Mestizo with a White y chomosome or a Chippewa Indian female with a White mtDNA.

The rules set fourth for 1/4 and 1/8th non-white people, in many cases, do NOT apply if the non-white ancestor is Black. This because the Black gene is so strong.

If you are a 1/2 White 1/2 non-white male with a non-white mother and a White father, your a mongrel.

If you are a 1/2 White 1/2 non-white male with a non-white father and a White mother, you are completely NON-WHITE.

If you are a 1/2 White 1/2 non-white female with a non-white father and a White mother, your a mongrel.

If you are a 1/2 White 1/2 non-white female with a non-white mother and a White father, your completely NON-WHITE.

The reason I put emphisis on direct maternal and paternal lines is because of mtDNA is only passed from mother to child, and Y chomosomes are only passed from father to child. Women can only pass on their mtDNA, wheas men can only pass on their Y chomosome. mtDNA and Y chomosomes are carried on for countless generations. I prefer that mtDNA and Y chomosomes are consistant with the race that the individual happens to appear as.

I welcome your comments and criticisms on this issue.

[cosmocreator]

It was just yesterday that I said I'd ban anyone who came here asking who is white.

http://www.forums.skadi.net/showpost...&postcount=109

We don't care to use the term white here. It's never clearly defined. Not even in your post.

The title would be more appropriately Genetic Lineages and Mixture.

Theoretically, it's a good question so I won't ban you.

[Nordgau]

I must say, in these times of massive race-mixing it would be nice if Renegade's ideas would be proclaimed "after the revolution" as the famous-notorious "Vancouver laws".

But they are of course no scientific-anthropological definition. There is no "white race" in a scientific-anthropological sense, at least as long as one doesn't mean all Caucasids/Europids up to the swarthiest Arab or (Caucasian) Indian with that term (as far as I see in the book of Baker, albus ["white"] is even supposed as the original name [Gmelin, 1788] of the Caucasid/Europid subspecies in the international zoological nomenclatura system). But that's not my idea of the white race.
Also Renegade's definition doesn't solve the problem, because if you define someone as "white" because of a certain percentage of "white" ancestry, then the question arises: What makes his ancestor white?

I also use "white race", but as a helpful term that summarizes the certain subraces on European soil, generally the "North Western half" of the "Caucasians" if you want so, which are close related together and which are regarded for good historical and cultural reasons and because of biological interconnection and interbreeding as a unity. But of course there is then a big grey zone between "white" and "non-white" left.

In my opinion, this thread would fit much better in the political or ideological forum because it gives indeed an idea of a first practical step that a racialist government in such a country like the USA could make. But it's out of place here.

[Johnny Reb]

I know White when I see it, and I can also identify non-White. However there's a big grey area. We should work on defining what White is, and should not ignore it. Like it or not, White is still a valid classification, and as the European subraces blend more and more, White will come to be even more of an important classification (ie black vs White). So I put it to Skadi members. What is White? What haplogroups (or whatever? I'm not too good with this DNA stuff) represent "White" people, and how much non-"White" admixture constitutes a nonwhite? 0.05%? 1%? We should work on this. Otherwise it will just remain up in the air, and be a source of conflict.

[anfernee]

white=aryan which = indo european. anyone with mostly indo european genes (that is, the speakers(pure aryan genes)

that keeps it simple and clear

[Evolved]

1/64 or less Negroid admixture = "white"

1/64 or less Capoid admixture = "white"

1/16 or less Mongoloid admixture = "white"

1/16 or less Veddoid admixture = "white"

1/8 or less Native American admixture = "white"

1/4 or less Arabid admixture = "white"

No amount of Australoid admixture is acceptable. You're multispecial.

There should be a set of quotas as to how many of the mixed people mentioned above are accepted into our "ideal future society" (or whatever you like to call it) based on prefered phenotypes.

[anfernee]

i disagree on the arab mixture, all non white mixture is non aryan, so whats the difference.

[AryanNordic]

i disagree on the arab mixture, all non white mixture is non aryan, so whats the difference.

A lot of Arabs are descedants of Aryan tribes, they are also long headed and fine featured like Nordics.

[Loki]

1/64 or less Negroid admixture = "white"

1/64 or less Capoid admixture = "white"

1/16 or less Mongoloid admixture = "white"

1/16 or less Veddoid admixture = "white"

1/8 or less Native American admixture = "white"

1/4 or less Arabid admixture = "white"

No amount of Australoid admixture is acceptable. You're multispecial.

There should be a set of quotas as to how many of the mixed people mentioned above are accepted into our "ideal future society" (or whatever you like to call it) based on prefered phenotypes.

Sounds like a fair proposal for a melting-pot-like society like the USA or Australia, but I deem the abovementioned unacceptable for most European countries. In England, a 1/64 Negroid/Capoid would be called "black", regardless of how fair the skin is. The problem in England is, most people wouldn't mind. But they'd be honest about the heritage, and wouldn't attempt to "make" the person white. They'll accept him/her as black, and probably gladly miscegenate with them.

[anfernee]

A lot of Arabs are descedants of Aryan tribes, they are also long headed and fine featured like Nordics.

but i'm talking the pure semite types, arab is like hispanic, just a language thing